Is there freewill?

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Not if there is an all knowing god. If there is a god and god knows everything then god knows the future. So he knows everything I'm going to do for my whole life. So I have no free will. I cannot "choose" to do something he did not already know would happen. Of course not every religion would posit that their god knows everything, which is a truly ridiculous claim. It is filled with problems like him knowing his own future, thus having no free will either. Not that "his future" means anything if he is "outside of time"... Wow, are we really still talking about this? I think this is to do with human's arrogant view of themselves. If there is something out there that created us, and is more powerful than us, then it must be all powerful and all knowing! The caveat that gets put on the abilities like he "knows everything that is logically possible to know" shows just what a stupid thing it is that you are trying to defend.

Science wise, I think things are headed more and more towards free will being an illusion, and either things are entirely predictable or subject to random chance only (I tend to think "random" is a placeholder for "don't understand well enough yet"). But even if this is proved, I don't think most religious people will care. They are already really good at denying demonstrable facts and producing convoluted arguments to sidestep the ever growing rift with reality. It's a defense mechanism, since making one more silly argument is less effort than thoroughly evaluating the whole thing. And it's a huge step to come forward and admit you have been wrong about something for the last x years, so it's understandable to defend the position at any cost. And to be fair, if there is no free will, that is just more non-choices being made so is universally no more ridiculous than anything else.