(June 14, 2010 at 2:29 pm)tackattack Wrote: 1-love = a conditional and mercurial intense affection for another person based on familial or personal tiesGet rid of the "God is Great" rant and you'll find both definitions are relatively the same with regards to the concept of course there's the exception of the absurd notions that its truth seeking and there being 'unconditional love'; love is not a quest for knowledge but it is quintessentially conditional. Generally you can't love those who intend to harm and/or kill you and your family, to suggest otherwise is completely irrational and nonsensical.
God's Love = unconditional and self sacrificing-patience, kindness, truth seeking. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It's not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs and it never fails. Always seeks the best interests and a closeness with those who accept that love.
tackattack Wrote:Always seeks the best interests and a closeness with those who accept that love.Well, I guess even you accept that love IS conditional so you've failed to make your case of God's Love being greater than the predefined concept of love itself here. Your definition of the concept needs work.
And with respects to the Biblical character of God, he is known to be jealous deity, he's often a wrathful tyrant, easily provoked, and goes as far as to actively punish non-believers for not accepting him/his son for *all eternity*.
That's not love tack, not even close.
tackattack Wrote:2- What you didn't like the abridged version? Well what I was pointing out was that it wasn't through neglect . It was intentional.. God thought eternity was important enough to let us know about it, by sending a part of himself to suffer human intolerance, ignorance and hatred and then die horribly for the glimmer of hope that mankind would listen. In the end, from an omnificent perspective, it will be worth it.First of all the prospect of sacrificing one to one's self as a loophole for arbitrary rules one set up is ludicrous. Second, its immoral, its simply not just to slaughter an innocent person through neglect for another's crimes. Third, why did there have to be a sacrifice anyway, couldn't have the big bad deity simply screw his own rules and just learn to FORGIVE everyone? And fourth, Jesus Christ didn't stay dead and/or in Hell for our sins! That's not a sacrifice. He lasted, what, three days and then chickened out. As far as fictional characters go at least Doomguy stayed in Hell for our mistakes and God's demonic blunders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twQ8GsdGZfo
That right there is a sacrifice - the doomed space marine from a video game is a superior character infinitely more worthy of respect and reverence than "I don’t wanna die! I wanna be at the right hand of my all-mighty daddy!" Jesus depicted in the NT.
(June 15, 2010 at 3:06 am)Godschild Wrote: As for me and most christians God is a superior being or why else would we worship Him. I'm not going to worship anything that I'm an equal to, that would be foolish, I believe it would be quite foolish to worship anything less than an omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent being and my reasoning is that only a being that fits that description can make promises and then keep them.It would be foolish to worship anyone or anything that murders inferior beings such as us indiscriminately.
Godschild Wrote:God as creator would naturally be outside of His creation and not bound by the natural laws He put into place so that He could have control over it. If God is not outside of His creation then He to would be bound to the same natural laws and not have control over the universe.1. How do you know God is outside creation?
2. What is outside creation?
3. How is God not affected by natural laws outside creation?
4. How does God actually control the natural laws of the universe?
Godschild Wrote:So IMO the worship that is given to God and the reason for that worship is evidence that God is a superior being.And those who don't worship your particular subscribed religious beliefs are evidence of what exactly?
