RE: Evidence for God being "a superior being" ?
June 15, 2010 at 4:02 pm
(This post was last modified: June 16, 2010 at 5:25 pm by fr0d0.)
(June 15, 2010 at 9:47 am)tavarish Wrote:He does.(June 13, 2010 at 2:12 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: We consider everything. We apply what fits.
And we can definitely see how accurate that interpretation is because God has only one working model in the world.
(June 15, 2010 at 9:47 am)tavarish Wrote: How can you distinguish traits of a being whose existence is indistinguishable?It isn't
(June 15, 2010 at 9:47 am)tavarish Wrote: Consensus means everyone agreesand they do. Please prove otherwise
(June 15, 2010 at 9:47 am)tavarish Wrote: there are Christians who have wildly varied definitions of God and his attributes. Just look at how the Westboro Baptist Church interprets divine intentions versus that of a Unitarian Church. Apply that to all the other denominations which pick and choose what doctrines and attributes they want to apply to their God and you have a drastically different picture.Similarly, If I studied fish and monkeys expecting to find monkeys traits I'd find monkeys that were not monkey like at all.
(June 15, 2010 at 9:47 am)tavarish Wrote: I'm not talking about having a vague interpretation of "omnimax being", I'm talking about specific attributes and definitions for this God and his motives.Go read up on them then
(June 15, 2010 at 9:47 am)tavarish Wrote: Is there an opposing force that is equal to God influencing the universe?Yes. You seemed to agree saying that forces balance to zero.
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(June 15, 2010 at 9:47 am)tavarish Wrote: You say that his attributes are what we've worked out so far. Fine. For the sake of argument, I'll grant you this premise. How then, can you claim that he is capable of anything outside these parameters?So... entertaining my premise, you're asking how I can claim God is capable of anything outside the parameters of God?

(June 15, 2010 at 9:47 am)tavarish Wrote: In addition,You're gonna have to consult your fairies for those I'm afraid.
How would you distinguish an all-powerful being from a really powerful one?
How would a being that thinks he is all-knowing find that he is actually all-knowing or not?
(June 15, 2010 at 9:47 am)tavarish Wrote: How can you say that you can logically apply parameters to such an entity when such parameters are illogical when paired together?I'm sorry, I missed the part where any of the parameters were proven to be illogical when paired together. Perhaps you've adopted some faith position on this you'd like to share.
(June 15, 2010 at 9:47 am)tavarish Wrote:You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope again.(June 12, 2010 at 1:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Being a physical object with known causes, we can give evidential proofs as to the formation of the orange colouring.
In the static model of God, we can demonstrate logical progression to each attribute similarly.
And what is the account for why these attributes are observable? Why does God put forth the attributes you're seeing, rather than any others?
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(June 15, 2010 at 9:47 am)tavarish Wrote:you're obsessed with this catalyst, and refuse to entertain the idea of gradual intellectual deduction, which I'm telling you over again is the only catalyst.(June 13, 2010 at 12:44 pm)tavarish Wrote: 3. Given that there are certain criteria for God, is there anything that can happen that would convince you that there is no God in control of all this? I'm talking about an event so unlike his nature that it would negate your version of his alleged attributes.
(June 12, 2010 at 1:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I don't see how. Belief isn't external but internal. At any point I could decide not to believe which would be extremely minor in comparison, but fundamentally crucial to my world view.
Ok, what would a catalyst for such an event be?