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Where are the Morals?
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RE: Where are the Morals?
(September 24, 2014 at 5:11 am)Harris Wrote:
(September 14, 2014 at 3:30 am)whateverist Wrote: Personally I'm not looking to define a code or law for myself. We already have the law of the land for guidance. Why should I look for yet another barrier to my ability to act spontaneously and with empathy in the world?

I'll leave that to the OCD driven among us like yourself, Harris. Personally, I've managed to win my trust. I don't need a set of operation instructions for getting through my day. I always thought that was sort of the point of being alive.

I am with Genkaus.

“The law of the land governs only our public life and that to a limited extent. It is not sufficient as a guide for the whole life.”

I think we envision and value the spontaneously lived life very differently. As someone who regularly gives free reign to living in animal mode, I can tell you that what you would call moral considerations are accounted for quite adequately without any ponderous attempts at systematizing oughts and nots. When you are not removed from the immediacy of living by focussing on how the features of the moment sort into the categories of your moral system, you actually notice a good deal more.

Among the things you might notice when you are focussed on the world instead of the categories in your head, are other people. Mirror neurons* allow you not only to infer peoples intentions but also the emotional basis of their motivation. Not flawlessly of course, but we are wired this way. So just focussing on the world as it comes to meet you will naturally lead to empathy. Then, assuming we have been adequately socialized, our pro-social disposition will lead us to take appropriate actions.

Moral living need not involve obsessive amounts of abstract deduction away from the world. In fact, I'd trust someone who is more tuned into their surroundings and what other people are feeling to do the right thing than I would someone who lives most of their lives in their head planning for what they'll do when they actually go out into the world. Ted Kaczinski was a man who spent enormous mental energy thinking about what was right and wrong with the world, but I want no part of his moral decisions.

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Where are the Morals? - by Harris - September 13, 2014 at 11:43 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Surgenator - September 14, 2014 at 12:21 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Harris - September 24, 2014 at 5:11 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Esquilax - September 24, 2014 at 6:31 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Bibliofagus - September 24, 2014 at 6:52 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by genkaus - September 24, 2014 at 7:34 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Whateverist - September 24, 2014 at 11:40 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Whateverist - September 24, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by paulpablo - September 24, 2014 at 8:40 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by LostLocke - September 24, 2014 at 11:13 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by FatAndFaithless - September 24, 2014 at 11:17 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by LostLocke - September 24, 2014 at 11:22 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Tonus - September 24, 2014 at 11:18 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Surgenator - September 24, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Angrboda - September 24, 2014 at 8:29 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Brakeman - September 24, 2014 at 8:33 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by MusicLovingAtheist - September 25, 2014 at 12:12 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Harris - October 12, 2014 at 12:28 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by paulpablo - October 12, 2014 at 2:30 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Surgenator - October 12, 2014 at 6:03 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Surgenator - October 12, 2014 at 10:39 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Esquilax - October 12, 2014 at 11:19 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by paulpablo - October 13, 2014 at 2:24 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by genkaus - October 13, 2014 at 7:36 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by genkaus - September 14, 2014 at 1:29 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Esquilax - September 14, 2014 at 1:38 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Darkstar - September 14, 2014 at 1:54 am
Where are the Morals? - by Bibliofagus - September 14, 2014 at 2:13 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Exian - September 14, 2014 at 9:52 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 24, 2014 at 8:50 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Zack - September 14, 2014 at 3:28 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Whateverist - September 14, 2014 at 3:30 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by genkaus - September 14, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by comet - December 7, 2014 at 2:51 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by DramaQueen - September 14, 2014 at 7:19 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Tonus - September 14, 2014 at 8:04 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Whateverist - September 14, 2014 at 10:25 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Little lunch - September 14, 2014 at 8:37 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by paulpablo - September 14, 2014 at 10:00 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Brakeman - September 14, 2014 at 10:48 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Whateverist - September 14, 2014 at 10:53 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by MusicLovingAtheist - September 14, 2014 at 11:05 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by ShaMan - September 14, 2014 at 12:20 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Esquilax - September 14, 2014 at 12:44 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by FreeTony - September 14, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by paulpablo - September 14, 2014 at 4:38 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Madness20 - September 17, 2014 at 6:43 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Mudhammam - September 24, 2014 at 6:00 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by FatAndFaithless - September 24, 2014 at 8:12 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by The Grand Nudger - September 24, 2014 at 8:13 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Jacob(smooth) - September 24, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Endo - September 24, 2014 at 8:47 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Exian - September 24, 2014 at 9:41 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Elskidor - September 24, 2014 at 10:15 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Whateverist - September 24, 2014 at 10:20 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Esquilax - September 24, 2014 at 10:24 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Exian - September 24, 2014 at 10:41 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Esquilax - September 24, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Exian - September 24, 2014 at 10:52 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Firewalker - November 13, 2014 at 6:48 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Thumpalumpacus - September 24, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Mudhammam - October 12, 2014 at 2:45 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by bennyboy - October 12, 2014 at 9:33 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Losty - October 12, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by DramaQueen - October 13, 2014 at 7:50 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by bennyboy - October 14, 2014 at 9:21 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Harris - November 1, 2014 at 2:17 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Mudhammam - November 1, 2014 at 2:38 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Esquilax - November 1, 2014 at 3:03 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by bennyboy - November 2, 2014 at 8:23 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Harris - November 1, 2014 at 3:22 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by MusicLovingAtheist - October 14, 2014 at 8:51 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 4:03 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Tartarus Sauce - November 1, 2014 at 4:04 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Whateverist - November 1, 2014 at 10:16 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by paulpablo - November 1, 2014 at 11:29 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by robvalue - November 2, 2014 at 8:39 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by DramaQueen - November 2, 2014 at 4:02 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Harris - November 13, 2014 at 3:52 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by paulpablo - November 13, 2014 at 5:23 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by paulpablo - November 13, 2014 at 6:03 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Esquilax - November 13, 2014 at 11:07 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Esquilax - November 2, 2014 at 4:12 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Firewalker - November 13, 2014 at 5:39 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by DramaQueen - November 13, 2014 at 7:28 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by bennyboy - November 13, 2014 at 8:03 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by DramaQueen - November 13, 2014 at 8:10 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Lemonvariable72 - November 13, 2014 at 8:14 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Mystical - November 13, 2014 at 11:29 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Mister Agenda - November 13, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Harris - November 21, 2014 at 12:29 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Surgenator - November 21, 2014 at 3:08 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by paulpablo - November 21, 2014 at 3:30 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Mister Agenda - November 24, 2014 at 4:48 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Esquilax - November 21, 2014 at 1:39 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Mystical - November 21, 2014 at 2:58 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Esquilax - November 21, 2014 at 3:12 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by DramaQueen - November 21, 2014 at 7:51 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Grandizer - November 21, 2014 at 8:18 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Harris - November 24, 2014 at 6:52 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by paulpablo - November 24, 2014 at 1:19 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Surgenator - November 24, 2014 at 3:08 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Esquilax - November 24, 2014 at 6:26 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by abaris - November 24, 2014 at 6:41 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Surgenator - November 24, 2014 at 8:06 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Grandizer - November 25, 2014 at 7:12 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Harris - December 6, 2014 at 4:55 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Surgenator - December 7, 2014 at 2:15 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by paulpablo - December 8, 2014 at 1:23 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Whateverist - December 8, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by DramaQueen - November 24, 2014 at 7:07 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Harris - November 24, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 24, 2014 at 7:34 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by The Grand Nudger - November 24, 2014 at 9:38 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by The Grand Nudger - November 24, 2014 at 11:26 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by DramaQueen - November 24, 2014 at 3:23 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Losty - December 6, 2014 at 5:15 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by downbeatplumb - December 6, 2014 at 5:39 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Aoi Magi - December 6, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2014 at 8:02 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by bennyboy - December 7, 2014 at 1:04 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by Whateverist - December 7, 2014 at 1:13 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 1:48 am
RE: Where are the Morals? - by DramaQueen - December 8, 2014 at 12:48 pm
RE: Where are the Morals? - by popeyespappy - December 8, 2014 at 4:07 pm

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