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From where come your morals?
April 11, 2015 at 8:29 am
So, this is kind of a big topic amongst theists and atheists alike since it is paramount to each of our identities, worldview, and how we live our daily lives. I take a firm stance in the grounds of subjective morality which is why we have such a diversely opinionated people.
What I want to know is what values do you personally hold as a baseline for your own morality? Theists are welcome to join in the discussion but if you propose your holy scriptures as your foundation, please offer some specific pieces instead of the entirety so this doesn't turn into another "this-is-why-your-book-isn't-a-valid-source-of-morality" thread.
My personal baseline values are: human existence, individual enjoyment of said existence, truth, and knowledge.
I suppose these values make me something of an intellectual humanist... if my understanding of what a humanist is is correct.
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RE: From where come your morals?
April 11, 2015 at 8:45 am
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My morality can be summed up as trying to maximise the standard of life for all humans and animals. This would cover such things as happiness, healthiness, removal of stress and threats, and having as much freedom as possible.
Of course that is a very general mission statement and there are always going to be conflicts and compromises.
Truth and knowledge certainly are very important factors in achieving my goal.
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RE: From where come your morals?
April 11, 2015 at 9:10 am
I don't propose to speak for anyone else, but I get my morals from the Moral of The Month Club (headquarters Gdansk). I send them money and they send me back a wee motivational moral message.
Haven't steered me wrong so far.
Boru
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RE: From where come your morals?
April 11, 2015 at 9:26 am
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Mommy, Daddy, the Mailman....our dog......they all had a hand in it. I remember there were some ants, and also a nesting bird. True story.
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RE: From where come your morals?
April 11, 2015 at 9:41 am
Truth and knowledge come into play because the closer everyone's internal model of reality is to actual reality, the better placed they are to act morally.
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RE: From where come your morals?
April 11, 2015 at 9:50 am
@Rhythm:
The mail man and your dog huh?... there must be some conflicting values at that juncture.
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RE: From where come your morals?
April 11, 2015 at 10:21 am
There is a book...
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
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RE: From where come your morals?
April 11, 2015 at 11:19 am
(April 11, 2015 at 9:26 am)Rhythm Wrote: Mommy, Daddy, the Mailman....our dog......they all had a hand in it. I remember there were some ants, and also a nesting bird. True story.
-Try not to hurt things too much.
Yeah I still wince when I remember the baby frogs a friend of mine and I dissected on a lark as very young kids. I'm pretty sure it hurt them too, but it still bothers me.
I've pretty much been making my morals up as I go. I don't tend to look for morals which will give me my marching orders everyday. Nor do I expect them to be comprehensive so that every choice becomes a simple decision procedure where no new thinking is required. My moral motto is: we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
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RE: From where come your morals?
April 11, 2015 at 1:30 pm
I seem to have hardwiring anyhow, which often overrules rational thought. I can decide the best thing to do is to step on an insect, because it is suffering and I know it will die. But I literally can't bring myself to do it. My internal morality is overriding my conscious morality or something. I seem to be programmed against causing harm.
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RE: From where come your morals?
April 11, 2015 at 1:49 pm
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(April 11, 2015 at 1:30 pm)robvalue Wrote: I seem to have hardwiring anyhow, which often overrules rational thought. I can decide the best thing to do is to step on an insect, because it is suffering and I know it will die. But I literally can't bring myself to do it. My internal morality is overriding my conscious morality or something. I seem to be programmed against causing harm.
Omg. Rob. I totally know what you are talking about, I have done that since I was a child. Mostly I just close my eyes, and think to myself, "I'm sorry little guy." I do the deed. I do it because I want to end it's suffering. I know they don't think and feel like we do, but I have always done that. I could never do it to an animal though, even though it is the right thing to do, I could not bring myself to do it. Only bugs. I'm a hypocrite.
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