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Evidence for atheism
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RE: Evidence for atheism
I haven't read the whole thing, but this stuck out.

(September 25, 2014 at 7:24 am)robvalue Wrote: If there is a claim of omnibenevolence (being always and entirely good) it is extremely easy to provide evidence to prove this is wrong. Here, from the bible:

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
—Isaiah 45:7

Quote:Question: "Why does Isaiah 45:7 say that God created evil?"

Answer: Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated “evil” is from a Hebrew word that means “adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery.” Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: “disaster” (NIV, HCSB), “calamity” (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and “woe” (NRSV). The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that “I create evil” in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.

(2) The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than “bringing moral evil into existence” is in mind. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. “Woe to him who quarrels with his Master” (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings “evil” and “disaster.” So, rather than saying that God created “moral evil,” Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture – that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Isaiah-45-7....z3ELMxidPC
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Evidence for atheism - by robvalue - September 25, 2014 at 7:24 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Mister Agenda - September 25, 2014 at 9:55 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by fr0d0 - September 26, 2014 at 4:48 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by robvalue - September 25, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Chad32 - September 25, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Madness20 - September 25, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jenny A - September 25, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Madness20 - September 25, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FatAndFaithless - September 25, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Madness20 - September 25, 2014 at 2:22 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FatAndFaithless - September 25, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Madness20 - September 25, 2014 at 3:10 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FatAndFaithless - September 25, 2014 at 3:16 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Simon Moon - September 25, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Mudhammam - September 25, 2014 at 5:05 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jenny A - September 25, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Tonus - September 25, 2014 at 3:37 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by genkaus - September 26, 2014 at 4:33 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Simon Moon - September 25, 2014 at 2:53 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Exian - September 25, 2014 at 11:52 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Minimalist - September 25, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Angrboda - September 25, 2014 at 11:57 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by downbeatplumb - September 25, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 3:12 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Minimalist - September 25, 2014 at 2:30 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FreeTony - September 25, 2014 at 2:42 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FatAndFaithless - September 25, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 2:44 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 3:21 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FreeTony - September 25, 2014 at 2:54 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 3:17 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 3:27 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 4:07 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 3:33 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 3:49 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FatAndFaithless - September 25, 2014 at 3:51 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 3:52 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by robvalue - September 25, 2014 at 3:59 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 4:17 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 4:19 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 4:24 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 4:27 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by MJ the Skeptical - September 25, 2014 at 4:37 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 5:05 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 5:19 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 5:30 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 5:38 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by Whateverist - September 25, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 6:09 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 6:13 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by Whateverist - September 25, 2014 at 7:22 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 7:48 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 8:04 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Whateverist - September 25, 2014 at 7:56 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 7:57 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Angrboda - September 25, 2014 at 8:00 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 8:01 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 8:06 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 8:11 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 8:14 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 8:21 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 8:29 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 8:53 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 9:35 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 9:49 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 9:53 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 9:59 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 10:10 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 10:24 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 10:34 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by bennyboy - September 25, 2014 at 10:45 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 26, 2014 at 5:51 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by robvalue - September 26, 2014 at 7:06 am

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