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Evidence for atheism
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RE: Evidence for atheism
(September 25, 2014 at 2:22 pm)Madness20 Wrote: Well, be it god or the universe, you have somekind of unexplainable fundamental complexity

Unexplainable fundamental comlpexity? What does that even mean? Besides, just because something is unexplained currently doesn't mean it's unexplainable, nor does it mean you can toss on some supernatural crap which is in and of itself, unexplainable.

Quote:and is almost logical necessity that something always existed in order to generate something
No, it's really not. Again, you don't get to toss in an eternal cause or creator just because it 'makes sense to you'. That's not how science works.

Quote:so the argument for complexity of the uncreated cause is not exactly strong.
Again, lots of words with a lot of baggage, might want to clarify exactly what you're trying to say here. If by "the complexity of the uncreated cause" you just mean the current state of our reality and how we perceive 'complexity' in nature, then you're out of rope. There's nothing but evidence for natural emergence of complexity, as nature is all we have the ability to measure. Again, you don't get to stick a god on top of everything. We have evidence of nature existing, and that nature has what we call complexity. There is absolutely nothing there to suggest a god or a creator.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
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Evidence for atheism - by robvalue - September 25, 2014 at 7:24 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Mister Agenda - September 25, 2014 at 9:55 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by fr0d0 - September 26, 2014 at 4:48 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by robvalue - September 25, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Chad32 - September 25, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Madness20 - September 25, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jenny A - September 25, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Madness20 - September 25, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FatAndFaithless - September 25, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Madness20 - September 25, 2014 at 2:22 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FatAndFaithless - September 25, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Madness20 - September 25, 2014 at 3:10 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FatAndFaithless - September 25, 2014 at 3:16 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Simon Moon - September 25, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Mudhammam - September 25, 2014 at 5:05 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jenny A - September 25, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Tonus - September 25, 2014 at 3:37 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by genkaus - September 26, 2014 at 4:33 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Simon Moon - September 25, 2014 at 2:53 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Exian - September 25, 2014 at 11:52 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Minimalist - September 25, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Angrboda - September 25, 2014 at 11:57 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by downbeatplumb - September 25, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 3:12 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Minimalist - September 25, 2014 at 2:30 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FreeTony - September 25, 2014 at 2:42 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FatAndFaithless - September 25, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 2:44 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 3:21 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FreeTony - September 25, 2014 at 2:54 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Chad32 - September 25, 2014 at 3:00 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 3:17 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 3:33 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 3:49 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by FatAndFaithless - September 25, 2014 at 3:51 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 3:52 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by robvalue - September 25, 2014 at 3:59 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 4:17 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Tonus - September 25, 2014 at 4:38 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 4:19 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 25, 2014 at 4:24 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 4:27 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by MJ the Skeptical - September 25, 2014 at 4:37 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 5:05 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 5:19 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 5:30 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 5:50 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Whateverist - September 25, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 6:09 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 6:13 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 6:58 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 7:05 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Whateverist - September 25, 2014 at 7:17 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Valkyrie - September 25, 2014 at 7:21 pm
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RE: Evidence for atheism - by Whateverist - September 25, 2014 at 7:22 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Angrboda - September 25, 2014 at 7:39 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 7:48 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 8:04 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Whateverist - September 25, 2014 at 7:56 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 7:57 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Angrboda - September 25, 2014 at 8:00 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 8:01 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 8:06 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 8:11 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Whateverist - September 25, 2014 at 8:12 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 8:14 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 8:21 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 8:29 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 8:36 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Angrboda - September 25, 2014 at 8:30 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 8:49 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 8:53 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Angrboda - September 25, 2014 at 8:53 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 8:55 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 9:00 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 9:00 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 9:05 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 9:13 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 9:24 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Angrboda - September 25, 2014 at 9:23 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 9:25 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 9:26 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 9:35 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 9:37 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 9:49 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 9:53 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 9:59 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 10:10 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 10:24 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Jackalope - September 25, 2014 at 10:34 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by The Grand Nudger - September 25, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by bennyboy - September 25, 2014 at 10:45 pm
RE: Evidence for atheism - by Cyberman - September 26, 2014 at 5:51 am
RE: Evidence for atheism - by robvalue - September 26, 2014 at 7:06 am

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