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Gods supposed perfection
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RE: Gods supposed perfection
(October 2, 2014 at 6:20 pm)Alex K Wrote: The mathematician and philosopher Leibniz, in an attempt at apologetics, tried to explain this thusly - that while this world has its shortcomings, it is the best possible world for us to live in. Maybe these elements of disruption and temptation are necessary to put some kind of balance (an idea which is employed in many works of fiction, the matrix part three for example, or Babylon5). Voltaire did write an entire novel, Candide, to mock Leibniz' idea, and illustrate its absurd consequences.

Voltaire needn't have gone to the trouble. If a fallible human being can even imagine a better world than the one in which we live, then this cannot be the 'best possible' world for us.

The notion of 'balance' falls rather flat as well. I can understand (although I do not agree with) the theistic position on this matter, God clearly could have designed a world is which suffering is necessary for some imagined balance, but it seems plain that a world in which the suffering takes the form of getting short changed at the grocers or the waiter spilling a drink in your lap is clearly better than a world where the suffering take the form of debilitating painful disease or the sexual abuse of children.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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Gods supposed perfection - by MistressD - October 2, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Lemonvariable72 - October 2, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Alex K - October 2, 2014 at 6:20 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 2, 2014 at 6:56 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Minimalist - October 2, 2014 at 6:23 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Lemonvariable72 - October 2, 2014 at 6:38 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by MistressD - October 2, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by vorlon13 - October 2, 2014 at 7:15 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by MistressD - October 2, 2014 at 6:56 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Alex K - October 2, 2014 at 7:01 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 2, 2014 at 7:57 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 2, 2014 at 7:07 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by MistressD - October 2, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Minimalist - October 2, 2014 at 7:53 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 7, 2014 at 10:46 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 7, 2014 at 11:10 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Mudhammam - October 7, 2014 at 4:23 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Losty - October 9, 2014 at 3:06 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Esquilax - October 9, 2014 at 5:00 am
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Thumpalumpacus - October 8, 2014 at 4:13 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Lemonvariable72 - October 8, 2014 at 5:34 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 7, 2014 at 3:41 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 7, 2014 at 10:05 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Alex K - October 8, 2014 at 3:28 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 9, 2014 at 1:57 am
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by robvalue - October 9, 2014 at 3:37 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 10, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Esquilax - October 11, 2014 at 4:28 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Losty - October 12, 2014 at 3:01 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Losty - October 25, 2014 at 2:18 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 10, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 10, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 10, 2014 at 3:42 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by genkaus - October 11, 2014 at 12:56 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by genkaus - October 11, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by genkaus - October 11, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by genkaus - October 11, 2014 at 6:42 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Whateverist - October 11, 2014 at 10:53 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 11, 2014 at 12:02 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Cyberman - October 11, 2014 at 1:31 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 14, 2014 at 1:23 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Esquilax - October 17, 2014 at 11:37 am
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 15, 2014 at 4:51 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Tonus - October 16, 2014 at 8:28 am
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by The Grand Nudger - October 15, 2014 at 5:15 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Ksa - October 16, 2014 at 8:11 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 16, 2014 at 11:49 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Tonus - October 17, 2014 at 5:57 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 17, 2014 at 9:10 am
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 17, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Ksa - October 17, 2014 at 2:31 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 19, 2014 at 9:20 am
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 26, 2014 at 10:33 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Esquilax - October 26, 2014 at 4:45 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by simplemoss - November 5, 2014 at 6:56 am
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