What/Who created God?

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It also seemed to me like a little special pleading or a whole mess of idk so I'm going to take a long time not to answer the question.

Thanks for at least being honest.

I think what he's trying to get accross is that cause and effect are dependant on one following the other. The act of following requires a place in space time, therefore without space time cause and effect need not necessarily apply. If God exists and has existed before the begining of time, then the causality of who created God is not able to be determined by the same methods we use to determine origins within this universe.

Uh huh. So how does the willing of the universe into existence come into this? That relies on cause and effect - something that isn't possible without time.

I personally will entertain any and all ideas of who created God if anything. He was created by the IPU, alien parents, etc. I'm relatively of the same mindset that while it's nice to ponder about some things we'll never know, the things truly unfatomable should be just that.

The point I'm trying to get across is that creating something in a timeless and spaceless environment is a nonsensical statement.

If God is the one who created the Big Bang, then does it really matter who created God? Not to me.

Well, it's a sort of big and quite important question. If God himself was created, this could lead to an infinite regress. I guess it's a matter of people not caring if what they believe is true or not, and having a glaring contradiction in their belief system doesn't inspire any thought - they just glaze over it and consider it a non-issue because they choose to use the special pleading fallacy.

Does the universe need a creator? Yeah Ithink it does, IMO. I can't see something happening in nothingness to cause the Big Bang from a singularity or whatever without an initiating event.

That's also a nonsensical statement. How can you determine that cause and effect play a part in an environment that doesn't necessarily have causality, laws of physics, or time?

That's like me asking if the moon needs a hairdresser.

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The Big Bang created reality, does it really matter where it came from?

Apparently there are lots of people who say it needs the extra step: A creator that had no creator.

Any other theists want to present a case?