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To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
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To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
The answer to this question is given below!

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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
In making an argument, you shouldn't build the conclusion into the premises. That is circular reasoning.

So you have to start with facts. We do not agree that intelligence can't evolve or emerge for instance. Nor do we agree about the nature of consciousness. Those "absolutes" just assume what you wish to prove.

I assume your post will be deleted soon, since it violates the rules of the forum.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
I think that he could have proven that he isn't intelligent without the wall-o-text, but who am I to judge?

(0) You can copy-N-pasta. We is so impressed.

(1) What you've produced here is called a tautology. They aren't any more robust for being self-referential, they're just uninformative. It's entirely possible that 'A---> A' refers to a value of 'A' that is false.

(2) A Creator. Wow, didn't see that coming. '21st century science is hard therefore bronze-age mythology.'

(3) Ethics is no more than the necessary social interactions between highly evolved chimps. If we had evolved from cats we'd have an entirely different ethical system.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
JHC, what a way to start out. I am torn as to what to do...delete the whole wall o' text, purge this diatribe, have a strong drink...I think, for now, I will hide the wall o' text. Anyone who clicks on the hide button....it's on you, you were warned.
I'm your huckleberry.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
Learning of thinking is the first thing of understanding! To be intelligent needs an open mind!
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 20, 2025 at 7:39 am)arewethereyet Wrote: JHC, what a way to start out.  I am torn as to what to do...delete the whole wall o' text, purge this diatribe, have a strong drink...I think, for now, I will hide the wall o' text.  Anyone who clicks on the hide button....it's on you, you were warned.

Why not both?
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 20, 2025 at 8:03 am)panpan Wrote: Learning of thinking is the first thing of understanding! To be intelligent needs an open mind!

But not so open that your brains fall out.
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups

Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!

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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 20, 2025 at 6:33 am)panpan Wrote: something non-intelligent cannot create something intelligent.
Since you've defined natural selection as intelligent, sure, why not?

Quote:Ethics is not subjective, nor is it merely a social construct. 
I agree here as well.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 20, 2025 at 8:03 am)panpan Wrote: Learning of thinking is the first thing of understanding! To be intelligent needs an open mind!

Now that looks much less copy-N-pastad. The difficulty is that if your mind is too open your brain will fall out. An open mind means that you're willing to evaluate other possibilities, not that you have to accept them uncritically.

Your first "Absolute Law" is nothing more than a statement. You've tried to make it self-referential, but that hasn't helped you greatly. Allow me to demonstrate:

 - Your brain is nothing more than sponge cake
 - Sponge cake is shitty at thinking
 - Thus every attempt that you make to refute this statement will be wrong
     QED

If that looks like poor reasoning to you, you're right, and that's why your reasoning looks poor to us. The rest is largely just more statements about how you don't feel that intelligence or ethics can be emergent, but you make these without any real support. This is the same tired arguments that we've heard from believers ad nauseum.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
It's nice you believe in a creator god. I don't. You can't logic him into existence, and you have no evidence, so why should I care? Because you say so? I don't know you from a can of paint.

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