(June 21, 2010 at 4:17 pm)tackattack Wrote: 1-"your dumb argument is dumb".. :S.. well excuse the fuck out of me..I also can't see the point in being blunt either ;D Look I wasn't addressing or insulting you as a person but your argument, please understand my frustration at the lack of clarity here, you seek to redefine love as a concept but the new definition is vague and mystified at best and then you present that as an attribute of god.
tackattack Wrote:a- The initiator of said love is incorporealNo argument here. The definition of your god concept is often presented without the nature of a body or substance, though the Biblical account of Moses seeing God's bum contradicts that belief but that's off-topic anyway, I do fail to see how this is a differentiation of the concept of God's love from the concept of man's love.
tackattack Wrote:b- The love being received is unconditionalAgain, you keep on asserting that inane drivel of a phrase inspired by the 60s LSD drug culture, and not recited from the Scriptures in either Old or New Testaments. It is taught that God's love is unfailing and unilateral but never is it professed to be unconditional because love is conditional. The Bible teaches sinners have to be a worthy reciprocal of God's love and grace, they must love him first by keeping his commandments and/or accept his son's (Jesus) 'sacrifice'. Should a sinner reject these conditions, they lose God's love forever and there is only the damnation of his stored-up wrath left for them:
Quote:John 3:36 (NIV) "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
tackattack Wrote:c- The love being received isn't mercurialLove like emotion is mercurial, because for better or for worse we are liable to be erratic around each other, that's life for you Tack, its essentially unpredictable by nature, if God's love was constant Hell wouldn't exist.
tackattack Wrote:d- The love being received is eternalYou saved the most absurd premise for last.
Quote:Luke 13:3 (DVP) [Jesus:] "...If you do not repent, then you will all perish..."
The Biblical God doesn't demonstrate the "eternal love" you speak of for two reasons:
1. He's a monstrous power-mad tyrant who demands to be loved under penalty of death/destruction/suffering.
2. Eternal love, like Unconditional love, is a nonsensical statement.
Eternity (infinity) like absolute certainty is a man-made concept; you can't measure it, you can't achieve it, you can't demonstrate it, and worse, you can't even falsify it if you had to. It would be far more credible for you to state its love with regards to longevity is Transfinite.
tackattack Wrote:3- I do appreciate you're living in a state of denial of GodDude, don't make erroneous assertions about me, just get back to your argument; an atheist has a lack of belief in god or gods - I believe there is no irrefutable or sufficient evidence for disproving or proving the existence of god(s). I specifically fall into the category of weak atheism/ empirical agnosticism.
Only when there is empirical evidence for god's existence would I then be denying him/her/it by not believing, which is something theists have never once presented or demonstrated.
tackattack Wrote:To answer your question, what he has planned for you is an eternity of his love unless you actively deny evidence that God exists.I rest my case. Even you can't accept there's such a thing as love without conditions.
tackattack Wrote:I don't believe God eternally punishes someone unworthy of that, it far more likely that it's simply oblivion.Do I deserve oblivion at the hands of your God-concept for simply being an atheist? For existing? For simply cherishing this one-and-only-life we have together, and thereby trying to promote a cooperative society?
tackattack Wrote:4-I have no idea what universalism believes, but the NIV and KJV Bible are actually very vague on what happens exactly after death.As I thought, you haven't read your Bible. It gives a detailed account on what will happen after this world, the old heaven and current order have all but passed away.
tackattack Wrote:It's quite obvious you don't feel God's love. Just like with interpersonal relationships though, how can you possibly expect anyone to love you when you're spitting bile out of your mouth at all times.I'm disappointed you resorted to this fallacious appeal to emotion when the Invisible Pink Unicorn loves you so very much Tack, yet you stubbornly refuse to even acknowledge her. Do you really want to make her holy pinkness' spirit sad? She loves you so much she'd rather end your miserable existence than see you carry on another moment living on this planet without her. I'm praying for you brother! A-horn.