Evidence for God being "a superior being" ?

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b- The love being received is unconditional

Again, you keep on asserting that inane drivel of a phrase inspired by the 60s LSD drug culture, and not recited from the Scriptures in either Old or New Testaments. It is taught that God's love is unfailing and unilateral but never is it professed to be unconditional because love is conditional. The Bible teaches sinners have to be a worthy reciprocal of God's love and grace, they must love him first by keeping his commandments and/or accept his son's (Jesus) 'sacrifice'. Should a sinner reject these conditions, they lose God's love forever and there is only the damnation of his stored-up wrath left for them:

John 3:36 (NIV) "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

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Ok the scipture doesn't say UNconditional. I'll stop calling it that if it sounds better to atheists. God's love is only conditional on it's acceptance. It also doesn't end upon refusal, it's as everlasting and patient as God is.

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c- The love being received isn't mercurial

Love like emotion is mercurial, because for better or for worse we are liable to be erratic around each other, that's life for you Tack, its essentially unpredictable by nature, if God's love was constant Hell wouldn't exist.

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human love is mercurial because human emotion is erratic and that is life on Earth. But if God's nature is loveeeee, if he's an absolute why would we expect it to be mercurial? IMO it isn't.

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d- The love being received is eternal

You saved the most absurd premise for last.

Luke 13:3 (DVP) [Jesus:] "...If you do not repent, then you will all perish..."

The Biblical God doesn't demonstrate the "eternal love" you speak of for two reasons:
1. He's a monstrous power-mad tyrant who demands to be loved under penalty of death/destruction/suffering.
2. Eternal love, like Unconditional love, is a nonsensical statement.

Eternity (infinity) like absolute certainty is a man-made concept; you can't measure it, you can't achieve it, you can't demonstrate it, and worse, you can't even falsify it if you had to. It would be far more credible for you to state its love with regards to longevity is Transfinite.

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Love always perseveres.. that's scriptural. I'll rphrase so as not to use absolutist language. As long as time exists God's love will persevere.

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3- I do appreciate you're living in a state of denial of God

Dude, don't make erroneous assertions about me, just get back to your argument; an atheist has a lack of belief in god or gods - I believe there is no irrefutable or sufficient evidence for disproving or proving the existence of god(s). I specifically fall into the category of weak atheism/ empirical agnosticism.

Only when there is empirical evidence for god's existence would I then be denying him/her/it by not believing, which is something theists have never once presented or demonstrated.

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That statement is based off of you stating you live in a state of separation of God. Feel free to rephrase and I'll retract it. If you live in a state separated from God then you're living conscious of God and just in denial of him and living contrary to him, IMO. If this wasn't your intent by this statement (because this isn't an agnostic or weak athesitic stantpoint) then feel free to rephrase. It wasn't erroneous on my part as an assertion, just an observation.

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To answer your question, what he has planned for you is an eternity of his love unless you actively deny evidence that God exists.

I rest my case. Even you can't accept there's such a thing as love without conditions.

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Ok we've resolved that it has one condition.

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I don't believe God eternally punishes someone unworthy of that, it far more likely that it's simply oblivion.

Do I deserve oblivion at the hands of your God-concept for simply being an atheist? For existing? For simply cherishing this one-and-only-life we have together, and thereby trying to promote a cooperative society?

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Do I think you deserve oblivion for cherishing this one life, knowing the possibility of God existing, being confronted with God in the afterlife and denying him.. yes I think oblivion is just. If you're only interested in this life and that's all you get when the chips are down I don't see the big deal.

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4-I have no idea what universalism believes, but the NIV and KJV Bible are actually very vague on what happens exactly after death.

As I thought, you haven't read your Bible. It gives a detailed account on what will happen after this world, the old heaven and current order have all but passed away.

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I haven't read my Bible.. really come on.. I know it's quite filled with loads of imagery of judgement day, etc. However I said it's not specific on exactly what hapens when one person dies. Specifically will the soul go to a waiting area till judgement day, will it sleep and rest, are express trains to heaven and hell instintaneous to each life, then on judgements it will be a traffic jam for everyone else, when exactly are we born again, etc.? That was what I was referencing and not judgement day.

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It's quite obvious you don't feel God's love. Just like with interpersonal relationships though, how can you possibly expect anyone to love you when you're spitting bile out of your mouth at all times.

I'm disappointed you resorted to this fallacious appeal to emotion when the Invisible Pink Unicorn loves you so very much Tack, yet you stubbornly refuse to even acknowledge her. Do you really want to make her holy pinkness' spirit sad? She loves you so much she'd rather end your miserable existence than see you carry on another moment living on this planet without her. I'm praying for you brother! A-horn.

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This one I do apologize for. It's not typically in what I've seen of your posts to be "spitting bile" I took "what are you fasting" as an attack rather than a joke bcause I was in some real and serious pain. I took too much offence and shouldn't have resorted to anyhting like what I did, so please accept my apologies for that one, it sometimes gets tiring when you expect an attack at every post.

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Can't be fucked with most of these debates but had to pop into this little part that I didn't like.

I do appreciate you're living in a state of denial of God

Why can't theists get it into their very think skulls that it's not denial. As an atheist I don't deny god's existance, because I really don't believe in his existance. Lack of belief isn't denial. Otherwise lack of belief in santa can be considered denial.

Anyway saying an atheist really does believe in god is no differant from an atheist saying a theist doesn't really believe in god.
So cut that shit out. Seriously.

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I've never said that atheism is a religion and do not see how that is even possible and if I've ever said that atheist are in denial I'm sorry (I do not believe I have said that).

I don't recall you saying such things but others on here have. I tend to react strongly to such ignorant talk.

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You didn't say it Godschild I did. I said it regarding the quote from welsh where he said "I am living in a state of separation from God" If he had said "I dont believe in God therefore I can be neither , separate or in denial" That would have been a different subject. My assertion was specific to Welsh and not to atheists in general Ace, generalizations are not usually my thing. If he rephrases his statment I'd be glad to retract mine.