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Gods supposed perfection
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RE: Gods supposed perfection
(October 7, 2014 at 10:46 am)orangebox21 Wrote: The answer may offend you, but....

Isaiah 45:9 (9"Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker-- An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth! Will the clay say to the potter, 'What are you doing?' Or the thing you are making say, 'He has no hands '?) is quoted and expounded in Romans 9:16-24

16It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

19One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

22What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

Often we want God to be how we want Him to be, act how we want Him to act, so as to serve our wills. We want to create a God in our image. This is the perspective of humanism interpreting scripture, namely "It should be all about ME, all for MY benefit." Well, who are you oh man that you should.....

Why would we not ask such things? We are free willed and curious people. Why should we just take someone's word for it that they are all knowing and powerful? Kings will say they have a divine right to rule, but they can be toppled like any other if the people are abused enough. That's how Human society works. We need a system that benefits us, and the strong minority may like to push the weak majority down to maintain power, but eventually the weak majority will rise up and overthrow an oppressive ruler. Why? Because they ask questions about their current state of affairs. Why would we not do the same with the idea of a god? Especially since the best idea we have of god comes from people who claim to be inspired by him.

Should a child ever question his parents? Yes. Should a creation ever question his creator, if that was possible? Yes. I know those verses are meant to be rhetorical, and the implied answer is no, but I say the obvious answer should be yes. We should always question, because that's how we gain knowledge and progress as a species.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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Gods supposed perfection - by MistressD - October 2, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Lemonvariable72 - October 2, 2014 at 6:19 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by MistressD - October 2, 2014 at 6:56 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Minimalist - October 2, 2014 at 7:53 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 7, 2014 at 10:46 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 7, 2014 at 11:10 am
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 10, 2014 at 1:53 pm
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