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Gods supposed perfection
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RE: Gods supposed perfection
(October 7, 2014 at 11:56 am)Chad32 Wrote: Free will prevents us from being completely obedient, which is more important to Yahweh than anything else.
I don't think free will prevents humans from being obedient, but it gives them the option to be disobedient. The Bible implies (or perhaps outright states?) that being imperfect is what prevents humans from being obedient. A perfect human being has full control of his thoughts and actions, is the idea.

I am more intrigued by the notion that Adam and Eve, who apparently had a direct relationship with god and thus would be expected to know him pretty well, were so unimpressed by this association that they don't hesitate to cross him the moment that someone (in Eve's case, something) suggests it.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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Gods supposed perfection - by MistressD - October 2, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Lemonvariable72 - October 2, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Alex K - October 2, 2014 at 6:20 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Minimalist - October 2, 2014 at 6:23 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by MistressD - October 2, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by vorlon13 - October 2, 2014 at 7:15 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by MistressD - October 2, 2014 at 6:56 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Alex K - October 2, 2014 at 7:01 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 2, 2014 at 7:57 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 2, 2014 at 7:07 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by MistressD - October 2, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Minimalist - October 2, 2014 at 7:53 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 7, 2014 at 10:46 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 7, 2014 at 11:10 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Mudhammam - October 7, 2014 at 4:23 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Losty - October 9, 2014 at 3:06 am
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by downbeatplumb - October 11, 2014 at 12:16 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Anomalocaris - October 7, 2014 at 10:56 am
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by robvalue - October 7, 2014 at 11:40 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 8, 2014 at 1:38 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 8, 2014 at 2:05 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 7, 2014 at 11:56 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Tonus - October 7, 2014 at 3:18 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 7, 2014 at 3:41 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 7, 2014 at 10:05 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 9, 2014 at 1:57 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 9, 2014 at 8:35 am
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Cyberman - October 9, 2014 at 12:08 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 10, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Esquilax - October 11, 2014 at 4:28 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Losty - October 12, 2014 at 3:01 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Losty - October 25, 2014 at 2:18 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 10, 2014 at 2:07 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 11, 2014 at 12:02 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 13, 2014 at 6:40 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by orangebox21 - October 14, 2014 at 1:23 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by The Grand Nudger - October 15, 2014 at 5:15 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 17, 2014 at 9:10 am
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Cyberman - October 17, 2014 at 1:13 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 17, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Ksa - October 17, 2014 at 2:31 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by fr0d0 - October 19, 2014 at 5:08 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 19, 2014 at 9:20 am
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 26, 2014 at 10:33 am
RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Esquilax - October 26, 2014 at 4:45 pm
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RE: Gods supposed perfection - by Chad32 - October 28, 2014 at 12:16 pm
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