Where are the Morals?

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On the theistic view, objective moral values are rooted in God. He is the locus and source of moral value. God's own holy and loving nature supplies the absolute standard against which all human actions are measured.

Atheists fail to explain how morality is possible in a godless universe at all. There is no adequate explanation for how objective moral value can be grounded in a nontheistic universe.

Is not the nature totalitarian, at the mercy of which our lives are dependent?

If it comes from god, then it is not objective - it is totalitarian and subjective.
Your ignorance of objective morals within atheistic worldviews is not evidence that they don't exist.

Yes, I can see where I have gone wrong.

http://natskep.com/only-0-07-of-prisoner...ns-report/

Do you? Doesn't sound like it.

So you dance on the music of selfish gene! But genes are not selfish because you are not walking around with one big tail and two long ears (I presume).

I dance to the music of a rational mind.

You may agree with the good reasoning but if you are a selfish person then in practice you cannot be a Moral person. By definition, selfishness goes against moral and empathetic behaviour. Whether you are a dolt or you are trying to deceive the world on purpose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfishness

Wrong. Read your own article - it says nothing about selfishness being inherently immoral. In practice, I'm bot moral and selfish and you are the dolt for not understanding the significance.

Aah! So, now Dostoevsky is also a Moron! Without having the afterlife and concept of absolute justice this world is no less than a hell where people are dying without getting justice.

I don't know about Dostoevsky or what his views are, but judging by yours, you are a moron. And no, people don't die here without getting justice - the judiciary tries to ensure that. And yes, there is no absolute justice.

Oh, Yeah! So those ELECTRIC CHAIRS and GAS CHAMBERS are there only for fun!

Your peeps, not ours.

Interesting!
So secular US government is moronic because there are 1,719 state prisons, 102 federal prisons, 2,259 juvenile correctional facilities, 3,283 local jails, and 79 Indian Country jails.

I wonder why you need so many jails.

http://www.worldpopulationstatistics.com...ates-2014/

The article doesn't provide an answer. And if your false dichotomy was correct, there would be many more prisoners.

If you convince people on moral accountability that would make them wise and virtuous without any need of external powers. The brightest example is how Islam transformed Ferocious Arabs into leaders of civilized world in the age of only one generation. That is not anything less than a miracle.

Miracle? Hardly. It simply gave a direction to their barbarism. Not the same as becoming world leaders. And while we are at it, it also plunged them to their current state. All in all, an extremely poor example.

Today, we live in a time when, having fundamentally rejected the absolutes and clear teachings of Scripture, man seeks to make God accountable to him for his comfort and pleasure. Thus, people are not only doing what is right in their personal understandings, but also the prevailing attitude is “Do your own thing. You are only accountable to yourself and your own self-fulfilment.” This is a shift from a God-centred perspective of life to a man-centred perspective. This is all part of man’s attempt to dismiss any accountability to God. The reality is that when men seek to ignore accountability to God, they leave themselves vulnerable to the cold misery of slavery and eventually to the menace of a dictator. Good examples menace dictators are Lenin and Stalin.

Right premises. Wrong conclusion. Yes, we don't have any moral accountability to imaginary things like god. Yes, we develop a man-centered perspective and accountability to ourselves and the society. And when done well, it leaves us stronger and happier than ever.

Prove Solzhenitsyn is wrong by giving logical reasoning instead of throwing one word in empty air.

What is asserted without reason can be dismissed without reason. There is no reason to give logical reasoning to disprove it beacuse there is none proving it.

Philosophy of moral only discuss moral issues, it does not offer precise code of conduct.

If institute dictates rather than to teach then all secular institutes are dictators.

If your morals works exclusively for your own being then it is known as pure selfishness and meanness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfishness

A precise code of conduct should be based on individual facts of life and based on general principles derived from philosophy. That is the better way to do it- unlike religion that dictates an arbitrary code of conduct. And yes, individual moral codes work for individuals - which is selfish.

“God does not exist,” is a belief. However, belief has nothing to do with morals. Once there are no morals disease of morality become irrelevant. You have already cut a stem on which you were sitting. You are now in a state of falling but you cannot feel that because your eyes are unable to see anything else other than your dear desires.

Ignorant blather. I stand firmly on the ground of rationality - not up the imaginary tree of god.

Go and teach Plato and show him there is no design and the idea of designer is patently illogical. Secondly, today’s science exhaustively talks about design however, your incapacity to see design only points to a dolt or wicked personality.

Plato could learn a lot from modern science - sadly he's been dead too long. And no, science does not talk about design - it talks about patterns.

Then why you persistently reject all logical evidences provided by cosmological argument, fine-tuning, and intelligent design? Epistemology is not the base of your rejections.

Because they are not logical. All the logical fallacies inherent in those arguments have been exposed multiple times.

You support inconceivable scientific phenomenon simply because Math supports that idea. I will not argue on that (although I can) simply to avoid deviation from the topic.

Mathematical equations offer a window into the workings of nature. Our physical world not only is described by mathematics, but that it is mathematics, making us self-aware parts of a giant mathematical object.

We are made of cells made of molecules made of atoms made of elementary particles, which are purely mathematical structures in the sense that their only properties are mathematical properties. Although we do not yet know, what if anything these particles are made of, string theory and its leading competitors all suggest that any more fundamental building blocks are purely mathematical as well.

But why has our physical world revealed such extreme mathematical patterns and regularities that Galileo proclaimed nature to be “a book written in the language of mathematics.” This give rise to another question, who wrote that book in the language of math?

All our speculations starts from intelligible nature of patterns in structures and ends at the ideas about the designer who is formulating those structures mathematically with prodigious precisions. This is an inherently logical sense, which is natural, and if you lack that sense, the only reasons seems to be whether you are deceiving your own being deliberately or your logic is facing some serious trouble.

Mathematics is a descriptive abstrction of how the physical world works. That is it. There is not supernatural book of maths and there is no book writer.

Ah Reality! I will tell you what it is. It is legal sex workers (prostitutes), legal homosexuality, incest, fornication, hardcore pornography, and serial killings of young children after raping them. Atheism is pushing people to this reality.

We'll get everything other than the last one. And that is good. Those things should be legalized.

Pleasure seeker never think about God, morals, and rationality. How intensely one follows his desires for pleasures that far he would be from reality and rationality. Pleasure seeker may give million reasons to disprove God, morals, and rationality for the justification of his pleasure seeking behaviour. Atheism supports pleasure seekers.

Wrong - atheism does not support pleasure seekers.

Atheism is a belief that God does not exist. Your worldview normally based on what you believe in. I agree that Atheism is not a religion and it cannot be because it lacks concept of absolute goodness, which is essential to evaluate the limits of evil and produce moral code of conduct. Without the concept of absolute goodness, it only sucks human values like a powerful black hole in the middle of human morality. Secondly, it preaches nonexistence of God without rationalisation. If you are a lucky person whose conscience still alive then you have no other option then to run after piles of philosophy books or peek into religions in order to get your life saving moral guidance.

Firstly, any concept of absolute goodness is unnecessary to develop a moral code of conduct. Secondly, non-existence of god doesn't need rationalization because his existence isn't rational to begin with. The rest is ignorant blubbering.

History is evident that 99% of people in all times believed in the existence of God or deity. Only handful of atheists deny existence of God who rebel against religious laws because they were against their wishful activities. One of the most fundamental cause of atheism is the demand of illegal sex and eradication of any limitation over sexual activities.

No, those are the perks. The cause of atheism is critical thinking.

You are a lucky person who cares about morality. I have spent some time among hardcore atheists and found non-who was interested in reading boring philosophy books to find boring morals ethics in them. Every one of them was more concern about personal comfort and enjoyment.

Luck has nothing to do with it - rational thinking does.

So why Stalin and his men (who were hardcore atheists) were so successful in killing millions and millions of people if irrationality was so easy to be removed from rational grounds? Irrationality of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, etc. is in fact the product of atheism.

It isn't easy. And no it wasn't.

Because of the concocted verses in Bible, I will not take any chance to establish my proof for today’s Bible to be the world of God. However, I am not reluctant to prove Quran to be the word of God because corruption has not yet touched it.

Prove it.

Do not twist and alter my words. The real text was:

Bible is the Word of God and no man has the ability to write things that he cannot comprehend. However, man has powers to spread corruption. After looking at the prevailing influences of Bible over people, FREETHINKERS have corrupted it’s verses for the sake of gaining power and possession. Today’s Bible is a corrupted version of the original Bible because scriptures cannot be Divine if it contains:

a. Historical errors
b. Scientific errors
c. Mathematical errors
d. Contradictions
e. Discrepancies
f. Unfulfilled prophecies
g. Evidences of human art work

Again - prove that the original bible is the word of god.

“Therefore, living in an Ethical and rationally governed society would afford everyone the best chance of achieving any rational plan of life, including immoral ones. Transgressors are often actually socially and legally rather morally, prim apart from their own immoral behaviours. In effect, they are civil freeloaders, happy to endorse morality and law for others while selectively exempting themselves from them.

People can and do have rational plan of life that include desires to achieve things that they morally ought to refrain from doing. For example,

Joseph Stalin kill 42,672,000 people
Mao Zedong kill 37,828,000 people
Adolf Hitler kill 20,946,000 people
Chiang Kaikillshek kill 10,214,000 people
Vladimir Lenin kill 4,017,000 people
Hideki Tojo kill 3,990,000 people
Pol Pot kill 2,397,0003 people

Their rational plans of life-involved goals, such as genocide, were the integral part of their rational plan of life, and hence doing that had the highest value for them; but it does not follow that they morally ought to have pursued that end. So, insofar as Ethical Rational justification uses the motivation to realize rational plan of life, any rational plan of life, Ethical Rationalism would, at least in some instances, legitimize immoral rational plan of life”

Those plans aren't rational nor are they moral. You can keep repeating it, that won't make it so.

Atheist regimes have killed 143,637,003 people within the span of 300 years only. Go and try to beat this figure.

To start with - Hitler, Chiang and Hideki were not atheists. So let's move their killings to the religion side of the figures.

… “there was no law of nature that man should love mankind, and that, if there had been any love on earth hitherto, it was not owing to a natural law, but simply because men have believed in immortality. Ivan Fyodorovitch added in parenthesis that the whole natural law lies in that faith, and that if you were to destroy in mankind the belief in immortality, not only love but every living force maintaining the life of the world would at once be dried up. Moreover, nothing then would be immoral, everything would be lawful, even cannibalism. That’s not all. He ended by saying that for every individual, like ourselves, who does not believe in God or immortality, the moral law of nature must immediately be changed into the exact contrary of the former religious law, and that egoism, even to crime, must become not only lawful but even recognised as the inevitable, the most rational, even honourable outcome of his position.’”

Page 45 The Brothers Karamazov
Part 1, Book 2, Chapter 6 ("Why Is Such a Man Alive? ")
Fyodor Dostoevsky

More nonsense from dead authors.

Fortunately, Quran has not yet corrupted. Although people are trying to corrupt it day and night but they are failing miserably. Read Quran and Tradition of Prophet Mohammad before you criticise them based on false propaganda against Islam.

It is corrupted at the conception.

I am with you on that however; think logically whether it is possible for you and me to help even a single person in developing scholarly skill in him? What about millions of other mundane people in our communities who are spending their lives like living machines? Religion is the only and easily approachable place to look for moral code.

Yes, it is possible to help them develop the scholarly skills - its called education.

Oh! I am extremely sorry that I totally forgot about the most superior laws made by the best secular systems in the world: Legalization of same sex marriages and prostitution.

Yes.

They have already produced a culture where “Father of my daughter is my father.”

That's logically impossible.

It will not be a surprise if tomorrow these far superior laws make anal sex compulsory for everyone.

I would - since these laws are about freedom, not making things compulsory.

Here is law of the scripture:

“Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful”

An Nisaa (4)
-Verse 23-

Disgusting. A fine example of how the quran is corrupted at conception.

If for you it is an imaginary vision, so let it be such. Main thing is, this imaginary vision works well and gives very practical results. The evidence is, out of 7 billion people, Atheist have not yet reached even 200 million mark. It is because atheism is irrational, illogical, and goes against the nature of man.

The practical result like ISIS and 9/11. Those are the results we can do without.

Have you ever seen anyone caught by those imaginary forces and punished by them? Have you seen God running after you for your disbelief? On the contrary, we see those so-called rational manmade laws practically catching and punishing people every single day.

God has given us the opportunity to believe or not. Within this lifetime, God will not interfere any person’s deeds so at the day of judgement no person will have any excuse.

Yes, man-made justice is swift and decisive while allowing opportunity for future rehabilitation. Much better than your god's.

“But your Lord is Most forgiving, full of Mercy. If He were to call them (at once) to account for what they have earned, then surely He would have hastened their punishment, but they have their appointed time, beyond which they will find no refuge.”

Al Kahfi (18)
-Verse 58-

More corrupted morality from quran.

My pleasure! I will tell another one but first use your logic.

If A = B and B = C then A = C to disprove Cosmological argument and intelligent design.

You crack me up.

Correct! Rapist is truly “a perfect example of morals based on personal desires and not on any kind of logic or rationale.”

Which is why religious people - who don't follow morality based on logic and rationale - rape more.

Assertion. Bring the facts in your argument. Do not talk abstractly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

Pay specific attention to the rape laws in Islamic countries.

As I mentioned earlier, Saudi Arabia is the country that goes according to Sharia Laws. Can you give statistics of increased sexual violence in Saudi Arabia?

When did it turn from secular laws to sharia law?

Indeed! Which rapist would like the bondage of any law no matter Sharia Law or Law of the land. Have you ever seen any burglar or rapist who loved public laws that threaten him for his actions? Is not it that constitutional laws directly affect your personal life and therefore they are disgusting for you? You love Double Standards.

Any laws that would punish the victim - as Sharia law does - is vile and disgusting.

In logic there is nothing like “Bigoted presuppositions.”

Like? They are bigoted presuppossitions.

I can write many frightening facts how wickedly secular world intervene in the matters of Muslim countries specially those countries which are rich in natural resources or have strategic importance. Secular governments use banking system and powerful culprits in the Muslim countries for the achievement of their purposes. Here I will point out only one logical fact that why Muslims are suffering in the Muslim world today.

Take example of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Palestine, and Bosnia. Do you think all those killed Muslim died because of poverty, starvation, and lack of medical care? NO! The bombs of secular world and culprits who have support of the secular world have killed all those Muslims.

This documentary gives you some insight on how secular world commits crimes in foreign countries.

Well, the simple fact is this: If your religion provided effective laws to combat poverty, then, given the Islamic countries natural resources and strategic importance, they'd be prosperous. And if they were prosperous, the secular world wouldn't be able to treat you like a little bitch. The fact that you are being treated like a little bitch shows how ineffective your laws are.

Great! I was not expecting anything intelligible from the atheist mind. Yes, get rid of religion that opposes Homosexuality, Adultery, and fornication and implement atheism that supports a culture of swine in which gays walk with pride in public, Adultery and fornication is a modern way of life, where incest is common, and rapists walk with freedom. Bravo!

Did you miss the part about consensual relations? Let me say it loudly - CONSENSUAL. Which means gays can walk with pride in public, adultery and fornication are permitted, incest is judged on consent and rapists are jailed. So, by all means - let's get rid of religion.

Yeah! Around four billion Christians, Muslims, and Jews are mistaken and handful of atheists are not.

Finally, you understand.

I can see the results of your success in from of sexual crimes where no female and no young lad is safe from sexual abuses.

That would be the result of Islam's success - a religion with a pedophile prophet.

If you like to have a swine’s culture and wants to live like a pig, “you take my wife and I’ll take yours,” then good luck with that. For myself, I prefer to live in fundamentalist Muslim country than to live in a swine’s culture.

Pigs have open marriages? Wow, they are better than fundamentalist Muslims.

You doubt because logically atheism is a big hole in the middle of morality.

Nope. That's just your blind spot.

For example, atheism liberates your conscience from the sense of guilt for being a gay by pushing you away from regret and inspire you to be proud on that.

Exactly.

As atheism is not a religion, therefore it is not a standard as well. There is no standard in atheism, no matter right or wrong. As being an atheist, do you even know what the meaning of STANDARD is?

Sure, my standards come from philosophy.

This is the power of monotheistic religions that today there are about 4 billion believers. It is the power of (so-called imaginary force) that believer can live good ethical life without any need of police because every good follower is a police on his own actions.

Except, when there is no police, you guys turn into terrorists. Not a very good example.

Correct! Through fear and threat of losing infinite love and infinite mercy of God.

Yup, fear of imaginary loss.

You do not know how life starts on earth and you cannot prove there is no life after death. On what basis can you confirm “justice after death” is a false hope?

Because you don't exist after death.

According to the data on near death experiences collected by Dr. Peter Fenwick

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Fenwi...chologist)

consciousness and mind are two different entities. Body rely on mind where mind is independent. The new movie “Lucy” by Universal Pictures, try to demonstrate how this concept can be true.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2872732/

That the best you got - a hack and a movie?

Concept of justice is different in Islam. Transgressor will receive punishment no matter whether he proclaim loudly or in heart the existence of God. God will not let go any transgressor because that person believed in the existence of God but harmed other people as well.

Except, none of that really happens.

Not most of you but only few of you study philosophy and even a small fraction of you try to develop morals. Developing morals based on philosophy is a very tedious work in which most of the people are least interested. The easy way is religion, which provide readymade solutions for a moral life.

A simple survey of these forums show how wrong you are. And like I said, religion is the easy way, but you end up with wrong morals like bigotry and sexism.

If Mr. atheist do not have knowledge about something then how comes he can talk on that. He has no other way than to construct a conjecture in a wicked way. For example, how can he disprove the existence of God without going out of the universe? How can he prove that universe has no cause when all natural phenomenon and human logic talks on the contrary?

Becaue going outside the universe is not necessary to disprove something conceived within it and natural phenomenon and human logic agree with his conclusions.

Wo! Wo! Do not jump right over the conclusions.

Taliban were organised by the support of US and Bin Laden was a friend of US before expel of soviet army from Afghanistan. However, the same Taliban were denounced as terrorist right after the drama of twin towers. The interesting point here is that no Afghan neither government of Afghanistan was involved in the plot of that calamity, yet secular governments decided to punish the poorest nation on earth for those technically sophisticated attacks over twin towers.

Therefore, in order to find reality behind ISIS we have to wait at least 10 years before you denunciate any scripture. For me it will not be a surprise if after sometime secular world declare ISIS as friend of secular regimes

For me all politicians in the secular governments are immoral and selfish beings and I hate talking about their deeds. They all follow the policy of hook or crook to achieve their political objectives in foreign lands. What have they achieved by putting Afghan nation in war for more than 100 years? They killed innocent civilians and their own fellow citizens by pushing their army in hell. For them lives of humans are no more than the lives of houseflies and mosquitos.

Please avoid mixing politics in this philosophical discussion. Further, I will ignore any flamboyant comment related to modern politics of secular world.

Yes, let's not mix politics with philosophical discussion. The motives and actions of secular governments are political and therefore irrelevant to this discussion. Both Taliban and ISIS use religion to justify their actions, which is why they are relevant. And on that basis, I don't have to wait 10 years to denounce the scripture.

It is a blatant act to give details about your ass in public domain. We all know what kind of ass you have and why you endeavour to decriminalise homosexuality.

Its round and dimpled and enjoys heavy petting and light smacking.

But enough about my ass and let's get back to your shit morals.

Have you ever read Quran? I do not think you have sufficient knowledge about Quran because your arguments are pure speculations.

Don't have to read it - the verses you provide here are sufficient example of how disgusting that book is.

Perhaps, you are one of those who rely on propaganda machine or possibly, you are the one who is deliberately twisting and distorting the facts about religions to bring homosexuality and prostitution (a swine culture) and inhuman ways of living.

I don't need to twist or distort anything - your morals are twisted to begin with.

I do not think many of the decent atheists agree with you in the idea of transforming respectful human society into gay and lesbian culture.

Not only every decent atheist, but every decent human being would agree that gays should have equal rights.

Are gays and prostitutes “wise and virtuous based on rational morality?”

They can be - yes.

You are lucky that you were not born in any those socialist countries. You have no idea how cruel, unempathetic, and prone to a sudden violence atheism is in those countries. Those countries are huge internment camps even today. Their leaders are literally gods for their nations. Stalin was one of their gods.

Glad we agree that they are not atheists.
And I'd still rather be in those countries than in Islamic ones.

You are picking bits from my writing and quoting them out of context to distort their meanings.

No, the meaning got through quite clearly.

You have not Harris Wroted the following is not a surprise for me:

“Because of the evident achievements of scientific discoveries, many people get deluded about the reality of science. Like many people, who believe in the superstitious phenomenon, modern people measure science as all mighty. They have literally replaced God with science. However, as I said that human logic supersede all scientific marvels therefore the real credit for all human achievements goes to human logic not to the scientific principles.”

Most atheists would agree to the role logic has played in development of science. God, however, is still nowhere to be found.

Let me correct you, they are called Atheists because for them Science is in place of God. They actually worship their own selfish desires and think science is the doorway to fulfilment of all their desires. The difference between atheist and pagan is that atheist do not have idols to symbolise their desires as gods whereas pagans have idols to symbolize their desires.

Except, science is real - your god isn't. But no, atheists don't worship science.

Chattering in the air will not disprove these logical arguments. There is no atheist who have the answer on:

1. Why is there something rather than nothing?
2. Why universe does not has a cause when everything in it is the result of some cause.
3. Why there is life on earth
4. Why genome has one of the most complex and most intelligent code, which is superior in every sense to all manmade codes.

You are saying that these great arguments are fallacies but you do not have courage to prove them fallacious on the logical ground.

Maximum you can say

Chance (Blah)
Chance (Blah)
Chance (Blah)

Not Dawkins, not Harris, not Hitchens, and not Kraus has anything to say logical other than Blah, Blah, and Blah.

1. Nonsensical question
2. Spatio-temporal nature of cause is not applicable to the universe itself.
3. Abiogenesis
4. Because it has had millions and millions of years to develop, refine and be tested whereas human coding isn't even a century old. But not to worry - human coding is catching up at a frightening speed which shows that either no-one designed the genome or that whoever did design it was extremely stupid.

There all you questions answered. Just as they've been answered by Hitchens, Dawkins and Harris. And the fallacies of those arguments have been proven many, many times over. If you are intentionally blind to them, I see no point in repeating them.

Better, I would be an irrational being rather than rational like you who support prostitution, homosexuality, rape, and incest, an inhuman way of life.

I don't support rape - but the rest are fine.

But atleast we agree on something - you are irrational.

Oh Sorry again! For I have not talked about legalization of prostitution and homosexuality (the most logical and most rational concepts for you)

Simply two of them - not most logical or rational. That honor goes to declaration of human rights.

Oh my God! So, you are struggling to make a free sex culture, the culture where your mother, sister, wife, daughter, son, father, and brother also live. Would not it be a pathetic scenario if you defend your close ones on their acts of prostitution and homosexuality? I think you should take consultation from some good psychiatrist urgently.

Any good psychiatrist would agree with me.

I can bet that you never touched Quran. Your arguments against Quran and against life of prophet Mohammad are coming out of your wishful thinking. Your arguments are extremely speculative and generally, they are based on hoopla and whoopla.

They're coming out of publicly known facts about the pedophile prophet and your own arguments. Getting my hands dirty by touching the quran is unnecessary.

Who told you that Adam was committing incest? Adam had Eve. Again, this piece of information gives indications that you are ignorant person. If you have read this piece of information in Quran then show me those verses.

You are absolutely obsessed by your sexual desires or you have seen too much of illegal sex in your home or in your surroundings!

Oh! Wait I totally forgot that you are fighting hard for the legalisation of homosexuality and prostitution. No, surprise why you think about Adam this way. There is a saying “a thief always see normal people with the eyes of a thief only.”

Who did Adam's kids fuck? The only options they had were their parents or siblings - therefore, incest.

Longer I discuss with you more confident I am to state that atheism is a disease to human conscience.

The longer I listen to you the more confident I am that atheism is the cure to the disease of Islam.

I really feel sorry for you that you have lost your conscience.

Don't be - my conscience is firmly in place.

Whether you are not married and do not have any sense about extreme anxiety that may occur when you get betrayed by your life partner or you are a sick person because you do not care whether your wife share bed with your friends or not.

I never said I wouldn't feel anxiety or that I wouldn't care - but morality based on those feelings is morality based on personal desires.

I think you have a feeling now on how it looks when your wife commit adultery with your friend. For me Adultery (having sex with someone other than your spouse in your married life) is also a crime as serious as if you kill a person for pleasing yourself. I totally favour capital punishments for those who commit sexual crimes.

See? Your morality is based on personal desires and that is why it is irrational, vile and disgusting

Sex is such a potent sense that it may obscure all of your logic and rationality. The only way to stop sexual abuses is the use of force and fear. I am preparing something interesting on this topic and you will have full opportunity to give your critical opinion.

Only where religious people are concerned and that's because of their associated guilt.

Morals, essentially, centred on human conscience and empathy. The concepts of good and evil are the products of universal feelings that all adult human equally share. It is universally accepted that:

saving life of some innocent human,

to look after an orphan,

to help someone to bring him out from his burden of credit,

to help young and alone lady so she can develop a nice family life and avoid life of a prostitute or a mistress,

not to treat animals badly in order to have fun with their lives,

or to give someone any kind of help without thinking of having any benefit out of that help is universally accepted as moral.

None of these things are universally accepted as moral.
If someone is in debt due to his own incompetence, then it is immoral to bring him out of it.
If a girl wants to be a prostitute or mistress to a wealthy man, then you won't be helping her by directing her towards a family.
And giving someone help without considering who the person is and what he does is not only immoral, it is stupid.