Gods supposed perfection

[Chad32]

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I don't know what else to say. I believe it's torture because being on fire is painful, and the idea of eternal suffering for finite crimes being bad should be self evident. What exactly are you expecting me to say?

I realize I'm being a bit tough on you. I'm looking for a good definition for torture (does a person being in pain necessitate they are being tortured as you have suggested above? No), and for a reason that isn't arbitrary or subjective.

When the atheist claims that people suffer eternal punishment for finite crimes they leave out an important qualification: against an eternal being. The argument should be: eternal punishment for finite crimes against an eternal being is immoral.

If I feel the need to apologize for something I did wrong, I apologize to the people I've wronged. If Yahweh and Jesus think I've wronged them, they should come down and we'll have a talk about it.

He did come down, at the incarnation, and is talking to you, through is word.

Human sacrifice doesn't help Humanity as a whole. That's why it isn't done in civilized areas. Morality that helps Humanity is that which helps the most people, and hurts the least. That's why all cultures criminalize murder, though all cultures have exceptions to this.

The standard by which you have developed your morality is the years of your life and the culture you grew up in. Historically speaking, other cultures have developed a morality based upon their culture and the years of their lives. If both moralities have been developed by the same standard, then what makes yours right and the other wrong? There is nothing to differentiate your moral code from a culture that practices human sacrifices. Both would be moral.

God's opinion of our worth is determined by our capacity to worship him.

References for this assertion.

He';s completely self serving, and sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself just makes his self serving nature all the more glaring.

If it were true that God sacrificing Himself to Himself was completely self serving, then there could be no benefit to anyone other than Himself. Yet, to those who place their faith and trust in Him have been given the gift of eternal life. It is not true that God's sacrifice is completely self serving.

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I don't even think I should have to debate the idea of being on fire forever for no other reason than someone created a lake of fire to put unbelievers in is torture. I have nothing more to say about that.

Morality is subjective, and changes over time, but a form of morality that helps the most people while hindering the least helps society grow faster. Killing people doesn't help the group, which is why it's normally illegal, and we know that killing people isn't going to stop a storm from blowing in, or the ground from shaking or a volcano from erupting. Unless you can come up with a sound reason for killing someone, and show that cutting someone's heart out on an altar really makes a difference, then you can't convince someone it's the right thing to do.

The most important thing Yahweh wants from you is worship. The main requirement for him accepting you or casting you out is worship. Regardless of any good deeds or bad deeds you have done in your life, the most important thing he's concerned about is whether or not you worship him. Even when you get to heaven, the main thing you'll be doing is worshiping him. That is the only thing Yahweh is concerned about, and the bible makes it clear that's where his priorities lie.

He does not talk to me through a book written by people long ago that claimed to be inspired by him. If my mother wants to talk to me, she does not ask my sister to write a letter and send it to me. she actually calls me up and speaks to me.