Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 18, 2025, 3:45 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Transcendental Knowledge?
#36
RE: Transcendental Knowledge?
I propose a thought experiment.

Let's say you rewired all people's brains so that part of their visual neurocircuitry fed into parts of the brain responsible for hearing. Let's say that through experience, these people learned that a particular tone or sound represented a particular color or shape. They'd then say "A rainbow sounds like a C-major chord played by harps" or whatever. (remember, we're taking all this as a given). They could say, "That's a particularly 'D' apple," and this statement would have meaning for the people they talked to.

Sounds silly, right? But isn't this really what the brain does? It takes discrete inputs of photons, channels them unprocessed to parts of the brain, and creates what is essentially a symbolic experience. Does any apple really "have" the subjective quality of redness, any more than it does of D-ness? I don't think so.

How about form, smell, etc? We could rewire all of these ot other sensory apparatuses, and have consistent sense impressions around which ideas and consistent communications could form, but they would be completely unlike an apple as we see it now; and yet, so long as the complexity of information was preserved, we should still be able to interact with the universe as completely as before (with a lot of learning, and assuming brain plasticity-- I guess we'd have to do it to a child).

Many people, including famous artists and musicians, have conditions in which they DO get this kind of crossover, so this is not a purely hypothetical example. If Mozart claims d-minor is a dark yellow, and this informs his construction of a great piece of music, are you really going to tell him he's full of shit, and sound is just vibrations in air and nothing more? Smile
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 1:46 am
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Exian - October 16, 2014 at 3:25 am
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by pocaracas - October 16, 2014 at 5:15 am
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by bennyboy - October 16, 2014 at 6:15 am
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by pocaracas - October 16, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 16, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 16, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 2:05 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 16, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 2:19 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by pocaracas - October 16, 2014 at 2:30 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 16, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Surgenator - October 16, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Exian - October 16, 2014 at 3:13 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by bearheart - October 16, 2014 at 3:22 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 16, 2014 at 4:44 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 4:47 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 16, 2014 at 4:51 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 4:51 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Exian - October 16, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 5:09 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 16, 2014 at 5:00 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 5:21 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 16, 2014 at 5:16 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 16, 2014 at 5:24 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 5:31 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Exian - October 16, 2014 at 5:39 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 16, 2014 at 5:45 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Exian - October 16, 2014 at 8:23 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 9:29 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by bennyboy - October 16, 2014 at 10:08 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by bearheart - October 17, 2014 at 12:53 am
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Exian - October 17, 2014 at 12:55 am
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by bennyboy - October 17, 2014 at 9:49 am
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2014 at 8:43 am
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Exian - October 17, 2014 at 11:41 am
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 17, 2014 at 11:44 am
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Chas - October 17, 2014 at 12:11 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 17, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Chas - October 17, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 17, 2014 at 12:40 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Chas - October 17, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 17, 2014 at 1:10 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 17, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 17, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by One Above All - October 17, 2014 at 4:52 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by bennyboy - October 17, 2014 at 5:48 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by One Above All - October 17, 2014 at 2:19 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Exian - October 17, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 17, 2014 at 12:09 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by One Above All - October 17, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 17, 2014 at 12:12 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by One Above All - October 17, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 17, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by One Above All - October 17, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 17, 2014 at 12:37 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by One Above All - October 17, 2014 at 12:38 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Exian - October 17, 2014 at 12:08 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2014 at 12:13 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 17, 2014 at 12:18 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Exian - October 17, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2014 at 12:25 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2014 at 2:05 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 17, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2014 at 3:56 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 17, 2014 at 4:08 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2014 at 4:10 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 17, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 17, 2014 at 4:26 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by Mudhammam - October 17, 2014 at 7:26 pm
RE: Transcendental Knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2014 at 8:17 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  my suggestions of seeking knowledge. Mystic 70 15824 March 18, 2018 at 1:36 pm
Last Post: Brian37
  Limit of knowledge? SamWatson 23 6252 April 9, 2017 at 7:15 am
Last Post: bennyboy
  Logic Fallacies: A Quiz to Test Your Knowledge, A Cheat Sheet to Refresh It Rhondazvous 0 1170 March 6, 2017 at 6:48 pm
Last Post: Rhondazvous
  Is knowledge the root of all evil? Won2blv 22 7656 February 18, 2017 at 7:56 pm
Last Post: Edwardo Piet
  The origins of Humanities Objective Knowledge and the fundamental mistake of behavior fdesilva 6 1947 August 19, 2016 at 10:03 pm
Last Post: PETE_ROSE
  Explicit vs Implicit Knowledge LivingNumbers6.626 9 3003 July 9, 2016 at 1:35 pm
Last Post: robvalue
  Knowledge and belief in God Harris 37 7195 April 29, 2016 at 8:00 am
Last Post: paulpablo
  My View on Belief vs. Knowledge GrandizerII 29 9635 March 4, 2015 at 7:12 pm
Last Post: Thumpalumpacus
  Belief and Knowledge Heywood 150 23307 November 9, 2014 at 8:24 pm
Last Post: bennyboy
  What is knowledge? Muslim Atheism 24 7251 June 22, 2014 at 7:58 am
Last Post: Confused Ape



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)