Gods supposed perfection

[Chad32]

Morality is subjective, and changes over time,

If that is true, then no modern day standard of morality can be used to retroactively judge the morality of previous cultures. At best we can say, their actions weren't immoral for them then, just immoral for us now and what is moral for us now may be immoral in the future.

Furthermore no subjective statement can be used as a universally applied statement (that would make it an objective statement). An example of a subjective statement is: "The color orange is the best color." I may have good reasons for this (it's bright, it keeps road construction workers and hunters safe, it's a color and a fruit and that makes it unique...etc.) Certainly you would agree that an argument over what color is best could never determine which color is in fact best. If morality is subjective then it's a matter of opinion, like what color is best, and not universally applicable.

but a form of morality that helps the most people while hindering the least helps society grow faster. Killing people doesn't help the group, which is why it's normally illegal, and we know that killing people isn't going to stop a storm from blowing in, or the ground from shaking or a volcano from erupting. Unless you can come up with a sound reason for killing someone, and show that cutting someone's heart out on an altar really makes a difference, then you can't convince someone it's the right thing to do.

Of course you believe the above. You make this assertion according to the standard of morality you have developed through the years of your life and the culture you were raised in. You have been taught that the 'group' is most important, and that killing doesn't help the group, and that morality should help the most people while hindering the least. But again, that's subjective and therefore not universally applicable.

The most important thing Yahweh wants from you is worship. The main requirement for him accepting you or casting you out is worship. Regardless of any good deeds or bad deeds you have done in your life, the most important thing he's concerned about is whether or not you worship him. Even when you get to heaven, the main thing you'll be doing is worshiping him. That is the only thing Yahweh is concerned about, and the bible makes it clear that's where his priorities lie.

References?

He does not talk to me through a book written by people long ago that claimed to be inspired by him. If my mother wants to talk to me, she does not ask my sister to write a letter and send it to me. she actually calls me up and speaks to me.

So if God doesn't speak to you in the same way your mother speaks to you then God can't or doesn't speak to you?

We can judge past deeds by how they effect future society. Hindsight being 20/20, and all. So even though people kept slaves in the past, doing it because a book told them it was ok, or because they didn't believe differently colored people who still used bows in an age of guns weren't actually people, is not a good reason to own another Human being. Also since we know why earthquakes happen, and volcanoes erupt, and why lightning strikes, we can know that killing people to make it stop is wrong. Though I guess I'm talking more about things that are factually wrong than subjective morality.

References being the bible. Specifically things like the fact that the first four traditional commandments are strictly about him. We don't even get down to "thou shalt not murder" until number six, and Yahweh quickly made an exception to that rule when he told Moses to kill his followers for erecting a golden calf after wandering in the desert for forty years. Which he had them do as a test to see which ones would remain eternally loyal to him. How could you read the bible and not see that the main thing, if not the only thing, your god cares about is people worshiping him?

Yes. If your god is a person, he should be able to talk to me like a person. Show up, maybe do some things that defy physics to show he's not a normal Human being, and we can have a talk. Not some messed up book with contradictory lessons, or some christian saying this is how I should interpret the passages.