(October 18, 2014 at 1:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote: It is not a real god we are railing against, it is your bad use of logic that falsely leads you to the conclusion that this god exists and is moral.
We have to argue this myth because believers act on these beliefs and vote and have weapons.
Tell us why you are not afraid of Muslims threats of hell? You are not afraid of their hell and rightfully so. But you would be concerned if those followers acted out in violence or made laws that oppressed you.
We no more believe in your God or your Satan than you believe that Lex Luther is real and can use Kriptionite to kill Superman. But you would be rightfully concerned if an adult in real life went around claiming Lex Luther was real.
Now here is a list of arguments many of us here have run into with a variety of religions and not just you or your god claim or your book.
LIST OF FALLACIOUS ARGUMENTS..
1 Quoting a book to prove a book........is known as "circular reasoning" all religions do this.
2. Appeal to authority.......If you lived in ancient Rome by proxy of the Caesar's belief it would mandate that he is right because he holds power.
3. Appeal to tradition....If that worked then the Ancient Egyptians would have been right because they believed in their polytheistic gods for 3,000 years.
4.Appeal to popularity.....If that worked then we should all be Muslims because Islam has the most members.
Now again mind you, we do not simply pick on your religion alone. We do because in the west that is what we run into the most. But we take on all sorts of polytheistic god claims, monotheistic, and even new age woo.
I apply the same skepticism to all religions.
Ok. I can understand your reasons for arguing that God is evil and unjust. Your list of fallacious arguments is also correct. None of these are adequate to prove the existence of God. All you in this forum have taught me a lot. All that stuff that I would bring up was just stuff that I used to support my own and others beliefs. Before I joined this forum I used to think that I could convince someone to believe in God through natural reasoning, but now I don't think that's possible. Anyone I've talked to or read about, who went from being an atheist to a christian, never never said it was because they determined it from science or history. I've come to realize that until a person accepts the existence of the supernatural, they can't be convinced to believe in a supernatural God. You do have to take a chance to believe. God didn't come about by natural means and he's not confined to the natural world.
I can use natural arguments to support my belief in God, but not to prove it. I believe the existence of the cosmos, which science can't explain, to be evidence of God. I believe in miracles and demonic possession, which have been attested to by people I trust, and other stuff like that. Most of all, I see him working in my life. If someone does not eventually experience a relationship with God, then I can understand why they would walk away from christianity, but you have to take that step off the cliff in order to experience it.
On the other hand, I've never heard an atheist give a natural argument that disproved the existence of God. It's all just inconclusive arguments that they use to support their unbelief. I see atheists as living inside of a box. They're limited to living in this natural world and can't accept the existence of anything else. You have this image of a one-dimensional being that you think God should be. Sorry if it makes you hate him, but God gets angry and he killed a bunch of people. If they wanted to be with him, then they are with him now--eternally happy. If they didn't want to be with him, then they are not. He loves us and he's holding his arms out to us.
