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How to argue against this claim
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RE: How to argue against this claim
(October 18, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Lek Wrote: Anyone I've talked to or read about, who went from being an atheist to a christian, never never said it was because they determined it from science or history. I've come to realize that until a person accepts the existence of the supernatural, they can't be convinced to believe in a supernatural God. You do have to take a chance to believe. God didn't come about by natural means and he's not confined to the natural world.

I can use natural arguments to support my belief in God, but not to prove it. I believe the existence of the cosmos, which science can't explain, to be evidence of God. I believe in miracles and demonic possession, which have been attested to by people I trust, and other stuff like that. Most of all, I see him working in my life. If someone does not eventually experience a relationship with God, then I can understand why they would walk away from christianity, but you have to take that step off the cliff in order to experience it.
You do realize that most of the atheists here started off as Christians, right? And something "science cannot explain" isn't god by default, ever heard of "god-of-the-gaps"?

(October 18, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Lek Wrote: On the other hand, I've never heard an atheist give a natural argument that disproved the existence of God. It's all just inconclusive arguments that they use to support their unbelief. I see atheists as living inside of a box. They're limited to living in this natural world and can't accept the existence of anything else. You have this image of a one-dimensional being that you think God should be. Sorry if it makes you hate him, but God gets angry and he killed a bunch of people. If they wanted to be with him, then they are with him now--eternally happy. If they didn't want to be with him, then they are not. He loves us and he's holding his arms out to us.
Whoa there, slow down a bit. There's no point discussing burden of proof with you I guess, but at least understand this much, our "unbelief" is because your claims have been shown to be false and we continue to prove them false while you just shift the goal-post further away. Also how exactly do you know "they are with him now"? If you believe you have some extra-sensory ability to sense that, please seek professional help before it's too late...
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How to argue against this claim - by sipurtov - October 18, 2014 at 10:47 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 10:57 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Endo - October 18, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by vorlon13 - October 18, 2014 at 10:59 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by TreeSapNest - October 18, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by JesusHChrist - October 18, 2014 at 11:12 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Jenny A - October 18, 2014 at 11:16 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Grand Nudger - October 18, 2014 at 11:22 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by polar bear - October 18, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Grand Nudger - October 18, 2014 at 11:35 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Simon Moon - October 18, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by TreeSapNest - October 18, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 12:18 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by TreeSapNest - October 18, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 5:35 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Anomalocaris - October 18, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 5:55 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Chas - October 19, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 19, 2014 at 5:55 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 19, 2014 at 6:03 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 19, 2014 at 6:04 pm
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RE: How to argue against this claim - by Simon Moon - October 20, 2014 at 9:12 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by LastPoet - October 18, 2014 at 5:06 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 5:22 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 5:49 pm
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RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 5:42 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 6:46 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 19, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 19, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 19, 2014 at 5:07 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 19, 2014 at 10:22 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 19, 2014 at 10:47 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 19, 2014 at 11:40 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 19, 2014 at 5:20 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by vorlon13 - October 19, 2014 at 5:41 pm
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RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 22, 2014 at 9:18 am
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RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 1:20 pm
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RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 22, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by AceBoogie - October 22, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Tonus - October 23, 2014 at 11:21 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Jenny A - October 22, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 22, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 22, 2014 at 7:19 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Jenny A - October 22, 2014 at 8:16 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 22, 2014 at 8:24 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 10:12 pm
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RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Chas - October 22, 2014 at 7:35 pm
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