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How to argue against this claim
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RE: How to argue against this claim
October 22, 2014 at 4:21 pm (This post was last modified: October 22, 2014 at 4:27 pm by Lek.)
(October 22, 2014 at 2:49 pm)smithers Wrote: Because then Christians would have to admit that god is not all-loving. They will claim that good will is god's will and evil will is man's will. Because our will is free from influence...

Therein lies the problem. If god is all-knowing, that means our fate is predetermined and a predetermined fate and free will CANNOT coexist. However if god gives us free will that means he is not all-knowing because we can change our minds at any point in time about any decisions we might make.

Confused Fall

You're confusing omniscience with predestination. The fact that God knows what choices we will make, doesn't mean that he causes us to make them.
(October 22, 2014 at 4:16 pm)Tonus Wrote: There is no smart way to explain that. Just roll your eyes and get away from that person in case his stupidity is contagious.

Seems pretty simple to me. Like the child, we see God's actions and interpret them as something terrible, but the end result leads to salvation for the human race. The whole bible story leads to that final act of salvation. That's what it's all about.
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How to argue against this claim - by sipurtov - October 18, 2014 at 10:47 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 10:57 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Endo - October 18, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by vorlon13 - October 18, 2014 at 10:59 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by TreeSapNest - October 18, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by JesusHChrist - October 18, 2014 at 11:12 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Jenny A - October 18, 2014 at 11:16 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Grand Nudger - October 18, 2014 at 11:22 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by polar bear - October 18, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Grand Nudger - October 18, 2014 at 11:35 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Simon Moon - October 18, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by TreeSapNest - October 18, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 12:18 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by TreeSapNest - October 18, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 5:35 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Anomalocaris - October 18, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 5:55 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Chas - October 19, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 19, 2014 at 5:55 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 19, 2014 at 6:03 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 19, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Chas - October 19, 2014 at 6:10 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Simon Moon - October 20, 2014 at 9:12 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by LastPoet - October 18, 2014 at 5:06 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 5:22 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 5:49 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 5:58 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 6:18 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brakeman - October 19, 2014 at 5:15 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Jenny A - October 18, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 3:46 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by LastPoet - October 18, 2014 at 3:52 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 4:26 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by AceBoogie - October 18, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 1:08 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Anomalocaris - October 18, 2014 at 1:41 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by MysticKnight - October 19, 2014 at 6:45 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by downbeatplumb - October 18, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by AceBoogie - October 18, 2014 at 4:18 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 4:27 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 5:40 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 5:42 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 6:46 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 19, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 19, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 19, 2014 at 5:07 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 19, 2014 at 10:22 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 19, 2014 at 10:47 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 19, 2014 at 11:40 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 19, 2014 at 5:20 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by vorlon13 - October 19, 2014 at 5:41 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Esquilax - October 20, 2014 at 10:48 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by RobbyPants - October 21, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by AceBoogie - October 21, 2014 at 5:48 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by JesusHChrist - October 21, 2014 at 6:43 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 22, 2014 at 9:18 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by AceBoogie - October 22, 2014 at 10:43 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by FatAndFaithless - October 22, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 22, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by AceBoogie - October 22, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Tonus - October 23, 2014 at 11:21 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Jenny A - October 22, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 22, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 22, 2014 at 7:19 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Jenny A - October 22, 2014 at 8:16 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 22, 2014 at 8:24 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Chas - October 22, 2014 at 7:23 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Chas - October 22, 2014 at 7:35 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by FatAndFaithless - October 22, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Tonus - October 22, 2014 at 4:16 pm

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