(October 27, 2014 at 8:55 am)Aractus Wrote: No it isn't. Your study is invalid because it's not a controlled trial, nor is it looking at real data from AA.
AA doesn't maintain, publish, or provide any data.
Quote:The study found for their cohorts that 12 weeks of AA was as effective as CBT - that doesn't surprise me. That's only 12 weeks, and it doesn't count people that drop out of the program, or that are excommunicated from 12-step programs, and I know someone who was excommunicated from a 12-step program.
No one is 'ex-communicated' from a 12-step program. Some groups have told trouble-makers not to return. There is no central authority or official membership.
You give an impression of ignorance of what 12-step programs actually are.
Quote:If noting else, AA is outdated because it has never been improved upon.
That doesn't necessarily follow.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
Science is not a subject, but a method.