Atheism = Desperation

[WinterHold]

Yay, argument from design. Nobody is claiming the universe or life were 'randomly' created. If you think evolution and the big bang are random phenomena I would encourage you to look deeper into the theories.

The reason we see an archaeological monument and think it is made by humans is because there is strong evidence to suggest humans make archaeological monuments. For example, take the megaliths in the Dutch province of Drenthe:
http://www.johnkuipers.ca/photos/megalit...oon_06.jpg

The reason we do not see this as natural phenomena is that we know humans throughout history have used rocks to build structures and we do not know of any natural process that would get the rocks into this placement, especially since the Netherlands is an incredibly flat area.

We know of animals, trees, mountains and the universe that there are natural processes that can create them and no intervention of the supernatural is needed. Complex life can come forth out of evolution, mountains form by the movement of tectonic plates and the universe can be brought into existence with a big bang.

It is true that there are gaps in our understanding of how the universe as we know it came to be, for example we don't know how life came to exist. However, just filling the gaps with a god is useless; there is no evidence that a god actually exists and it doesn't actually explain anything as it raises the question of how that god came to exist.

I could make the claim that Boes the holy Ox created life, it would explains as much as your Allah theory does; absolutely nothing.

Now here's what desperate; starting with the presupposition that Allah exists, then filling all the gaps in scientific understanding with your divine Kim Jong Un to prove he exists. It's an incredibly circular and fallacious argument.

Good point you brought up, though the base that mostly adapted by Islam is the "Quran" itself.
As a chronological speech distributed over 600 pages -directly from god himself", the book literally calls you to test it against the universe & life itself.

That's how I mainly knew for certain that god exists. The universe pointed me out to the fact, but the Quran is the main base that made the claim. Here's the whole point.
Yes anyone can make a bald false claim -including Mohammed peace be upon him-.
The Quran is one base claim I believe.

robvalue

I just always put a possibility 0.5% that a direct speech from somebody is enough evidence. Here's where the Quran played its role for me. It's the only case where I believed in something based on reading only.

But not totally based on emotions. If reading the Quran was based on emotions, indeed I never dealt with the facts it give easily, I googled everything.
It never ceases to amaze me.
Even Micrometeoroids are mentioned in this book "literally".

Chas

because everything is perfect for us to live..too perfect.

Aoi Magi

-_- I'm laughing so hard
ha ha ha...

Chas

That is for god to say after all..I mean if god wanted muslims to decrease in numbers, that's his will.

Cato

Do you eat with that mouth ?
I don't think you understood me. My argument meant "everything is perfect for us to live in here".

Stimbo

It's the feeling that it's real, stimbo. I know it doesn't satisfy -and sometimes anger- atheists & scientists, but it's that deep feeling that something is different about this. Also called a "hunch".. When I tell people about Islam, I tell them very honestly that my evidence is a book & my eyes, if somebody felt the same way like I do so be it, if they didn't then it's up to what their hearts may choose.
It's something emotional. It's not selling, I don't use propaganda, I don't grow a 4 meter beard to show myself as a priest. I just say what I thought & felt.

Your last question is something I can't answer -due to ignorance-. But I gotta know the answer someday. My basic answer would be "humans don't know it all ; even when armed with science"..but it's a lame answer..

Thanks for passing by