Hello. How are you guys ?

The concept of observing (which gave birth to the scientific method) is simply about spending time checking the surroundings of a person deeply. Especially the events which take place away from human intervention.

Observing opened up the gates to admit & conclude by every scientist in the world, that our universe is ruled & governed by an invisible law which is not viewable outside the written form of a mathematical equation or a chemical formula.

But when I think about a difference between "Islam" & "Atheism", I usually see the biggest difference since both branches of faith have scientists & smart people, which is "desperation".

Atheists are desperate from the idea of a merciful beautiful god, who actually gave this universe a law after creating it.
Just like a band of cavemen who found an archeological monument, instead of admitting that somebody built it, the cavemen just said "it's randomly built !! nature built it".

While a Muslim scientist is not desperate at all. There is an entity which made all of this, the signs are there, and an entity that created all of this cannot be lesser than the one & only "god". Allah in Arabic.

Desperation is very bad. It's not just bad, it's evil actually to see the universe, and just plainly and simply say "this is randomly created".

It defies science. It's a desperate act of utter desperation.

Did you get hit in the head or something?

(November 1, 2014 at 5:26 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: Did you get hit in the head or something?

No, I'm just a computer programmer who knows his way around.
Ever checked my published online article on redhat ?

http://opensource.com/life/14/8/open-sou...al-network

Ok, if it's not a head injury, then it might be too much alcohol or weed.

(November 1, 2014 at 5:12 am)AtlasS Wrote: Hello. How are you guys ?

The concept of observing (which gave birth to the scientific method) is simply about spending time checking the surroundings of a person deeply.

Observing in science is not about "checking the surroundings of a person deeply".
What does that even mean?

Quote:Especially the events which take place away from human intervention.

Observing opened up the gates to admit & conclude by every scientist in the world, that our universe is ruled & governed by an invisible law which is not viewable outside the written form of a mathematical equation or a chemical formula.

Laws are a description of what we see not the universe telling things to behave that way. So you have this exactly the wrong way round.

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But when I think about a difference between "Islam" & "Atheism", I usually see the biggest difference since both branches of faith have scientists & smart people, which is "desperation".

Atheists are desperate from the idea of a merciful beautiful god, who actually gave this universe a law after creating it.[/quote]

An atheist, such as myself, is not desperate for any sort of god because we do not believe there is any such thing.

With all due respect, you seem to be talking bollocks.

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Just like a band of cavemen who found an archeological monument, instead of admitting that somebody built it, the cavemen just said "it's randomly built !! nature built it".

So you have managed to encapsulate in this one sentence a complete misunderstanding of most modern science. Please read an up to date book on astronomy or physics or biology before commenting. The truth is far more interesting than the crude fantasy you believe in.

Quote:While a Muslim scientist is not desperate at all.

Muslim scientists are an exception. What we see when we look at Islamic states is land after land hankering after the barbaric dark ages hoping beyond hope that the modern age goes away. Apart from the bits that kill people, they seem to like those.

Quote: There is an entity which made all of this, the signs are there, and an entity that created all of this cannot be lesser than the one & only "god". Allah in Arabic.

I don't think so because I have never seen any evidence for a supernatural being, let alone the specific one you happen to believe in.
I would imagine you were brought up in the faith of islam and so believe that religion.
If you had been born a Mormon you would be praising Joshua Smith

Quote:Desperation is very bad. It's not just bad, it's evil actually to see the universe, and just plainly and simply say "this is randomly created".

No one said the universe was randomly created. The cause is as yet unknown but science is just getting over being held back by religious dogma and needs time to figure things out.

Give it time we'll get there.

Quote:It defies science. It's a desperate act of utter desperation.

Your whole post stank of desperation.

When you say Muslim scientists, do you mean people like this?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=g84g2KJcUV0

There's no Christian or Muslim Scientist, sheesh, the religious views of a person is independent of their career (exception being people like Ken Ham).

I'm fully aware of several atheists who genuinely do not believe in the existence of God and are not at all outspoken about it. They don't spend their days living to debunk islam (though perhaps they should), they spend most of it indulging in happy pastimes of varying degrees of innocence and simply pay no mind to the ultimate questions of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

Meanwhile, there are numerous muslim apologists who devote time and ink to debunking the debunking, and (perhaps more problematically) can contradict their fellow islamic scholars in their attempts to do so.

Now judge which one of the above is a sign of desperation.

(November 1, 2014 at 5:35 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: Ok, if it's not a head injury, then it might be too much alcohol or weed.

Druggggggggs "drools"

downbeatplumb

Quote:Observing in science is not about "checking the surroundings of a person deeply".
What does that even mean?

What I mentioned is the observing which led to the scientific method. The one where you deploy your senses to get acquire data from a primary source.

Quote:Laws are a description of what we see not the universe telling things to behave that way. So you have this exactly the wrong way round.

The big bang, caused star x to form in a certain way that only produces a gravitational pole of "z". We described it as a law, with variables of course.
My point : the maker of the equation & the one who manipulated the variables to yield the universe we see is god.

Quote:An atheist, such as myself, is not desperate for any sort of god because we do not believe there is any such thing.

With all due respect, you seem to be talking bollocks.

Don't you wish to have somebody in the sky who listens to your calls and needs & respond to it ? that's a dream to most humans.
My point : atheists stopped dreaming ; that is desperation. they concluded that god doesn't exist and terminated their dream.

Quote:So you have managed to encapsulate in this one sentence a complete misunderstanding of most modern science. Please read an up to date book on astronomy or physics or biology before commenting. The truth is far more interesting than the crude fantasy you believe in.

Of course. Believers like me are always ignorant in modern science. Please sir, teach Ali Baba how to read

That was just an example. I know all about evolution, and how humans only prospered AFTER THE ICE AGE, and that modern biology says humans are evolved through millions of years to adapt to the planet.

Quote:Muslim scientists are an exception. What we see when we look at Islamic states is land after land hankering after the barbaric dark ages hoping beyond hope that the modern age goes away. Apart from the bits that kill people, they seem to like those.

You gotta love MSM. To be honest, we didn't enter the dark ages "NOW", actually muslims entered the dark ages when the British & French invasions came up resulting in "Sykes-picot" agreement, you can google that.

I'm not saying muslims are angels, many muslims did bad stuff, but the dark ages we live at now is not totally caused by ourselves.
Tell the american government to stop supporting terrorists & dictators in the region.

Quote:I don't think so because I have never seen any evidence for a supernatural being, let alone the specific one you happen to believe in.
I would imagine you were brought up in the faith of islam and so believe that religion.
If you had been born a Mormon you would be praising Joshua Smith

I'm not your typical "stereotype", and everybody around me knows that I'm off the norm & usually find my own way.

I think the sun & the moon (and their location from earth) along with our atmosphere, are enough to conclude that god exists.

Quote:No one said the universe was randomly created. The cause is as yet unknown but science is just getting over being held back by religious dogma and needs time to figure things out.

Give it time we'll get there.

maybe..

Quote:Your whole post stank of desperation.

Actually I'm pretty happy this morning and not desperate !

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(November 1, 2014 at 5:38 am)jesus_wept Wrote: When you say Muslim scientists, do you mean people like this?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=g84g2KJcUV0

Yay, argument from design. Nobody is claiming the universe or life were 'randomly' created. If you think evolution and the big bang are random phenomena I would encourage you to look deeper into the theories.

The reason we see an archaeological monument and think it is made by humans is because there is strong evidence to suggest humans make archaeological monuments. For example, take the megaliths in the Dutch province of Drenthe:
http://www.johnkuipers.ca/photos/megalit...oon_06.jpg

The reason we do not see this as natural phenomena is that we know humans throughout history have used rocks to build structures and we do not know of any natural process that would get the rocks into this placement, especially since the Netherlands is an incredibly flat area.

We know of animals, trees, mountains and the universe that there are natural processes that can create them and no intervention of the supernatural is needed. Complex life can come forth out of evolution, mountains form by the movement of tectonic plates and the universe can be brought into existence with a big bang.

It is true that there are gaps in our understanding of how the universe as we know it came to be, for example we don't know how life came to exist. However, just filling the gaps with a god is useless; there is no evidence that a god actually exists and it doesn't actually explain anything as it raises the question of how that god came to exist.

I could make the claim that Boes the holy Ox created life, it would explains as much as your Allah theory does; absolutely nothing.

Now here's what desperate; starting with the presupposition that Allah exists, then filling all the gaps in scientific understanding with your divine Kim Jong Un to prove he exists. It's an incredibly circular and fallacious argument.