RE: Belief and Knowledge
November 1, 2014 at 11:16 am
(This post was last modified: November 1, 2014 at 11:27 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Which still doesn't matter, as you just claimed that you would have to throw out cause and effect - which you would not.....you are now blathering on about a particular type of cause, a local one. Throw that one out if you like. You'll still be able to appeal to cause (and in fact proponents of Bells make such appeals), but a particular type of cause will have to be deemed insufficient. At present, if wiki can be trusted, no conclusive experimental test have been run that are "loophole free" but if you want to throw your chips in you can certainly do so (Bells won't "tell us" any such thing until that's accomplished, btw-heres where the phrase "what the evidence suggests" is actually appropriate). Even if they were, we still could not rule out determinism, and so we would still be able to appeal to cause, or, if you prefer, it wouldn't need to be thrown out. Not all effects have causes is not equal to "not all effects have local causes" Nor is our inability to ascertain whether or not some effect has a local cause, or our ability to determine that there is no local cause, proof that it doesn't have a cause. Again...even further out is the plugging in of "god" to this variable, or suggesting that because there is a variable, "god" should be squeezed in as though the rest of our body of knowledge on the subject is suddenly whisked away by magic.
QM has put physics in a bit of a newtonian mechanics state recently, sure. The old physics still works, but QM seems to work better at this level of scrutiny (far removed from our experience of course). Perhaps you should continue looking into all the other things that Bells Theorem would rule out before making that dive though. I'm willing to place money down that it also rules out some favored attachment to your god. Personally, I;m just looking forward to getting on with whatever the next trendy "science" apologists for all stripes of the divine will hop on to in service of their master. I'm getting tired of QM being the dead horse.
QM has put physics in a bit of a newtonian mechanics state recently, sure. The old physics still works, but QM seems to work better at this level of scrutiny (far removed from our experience of course). Perhaps you should continue looking into all the other things that Bells Theorem would rule out before making that dive though. I'm willing to place money down that it also rules out some favored attachment to your god. Personally, I;m just looking forward to getting on with whatever the next trendy "science" apologists for all stripes of the divine will hop on to in service of their master. I'm getting tired of QM being the dead horse.
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