(November 1, 2014 at 7:21 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(November 1, 2014 at 6:16 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I can claim it. Just like you can claim there is no effect of God and we can't witness it. Just like you can claim we don't know if we are a soul or not. Sure, we both are allowed to claim it, it's another thing if we say we won an argument over or have proven the case by our claim.
Oh, so now you're in the business of equivocating, that rejections of your claims as unsupported are claims in and of themselves? Not gonna fly; without evidence to suggest the existence of the soul- and merely pointing at a thing that already exists, apparently sans soul, and claiming that that is evidence based on an ad hoc rationalization won't work- then not accepting the claim that there is such a thing is perfectly rational.
Much as you might like to pretend it's otherwise, this is not some even playing field where you have your assertions and atheists have theirs, and none of us have any advantage. No, what's happening is that you're making ontologically positive claims- the kind that entail a burden of proof- and we're pointing out that there's no reason to believe them.
This burden of proof is non-sense. I am allowed to share why I believe a soul exists. The reason why I believe a soul exists doesn't have to formal argument or something verified by scientific evidence.
I didn't say you aren't allow to reject my claims, you can do what you want. Nor did I say my claims are proven arguments that can't be dismissed or that it's proven by scientific method.
I am allowed to state what I believe is part of the human experience and my experience.
My experience tells me I can see myself as a soul existing as a soul. This is an obvious truth to me.
There is a spiritual dimension to us.
Sure you can disagree, and I won't be able to prove you are wrong for disagreeing through formal argument.
A lot of human beings believe in spiritual experience and witnessing. A lot of people believe in faith.
Not everything is about being a debate proven in a court of law. People are allowed to share their experiences.
You believe we can't see our souls existing and I believe we can see that.
I don't bother you to prove your claim...so why do you have to bother me?
When it's stated over and over again that it's the scientific method we must rely upon...all I do is state my disagreement and believe we have a spiritual eye that can witness soul/god/morals.