(November 1, 2014 at 8:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(November 1, 2014 at 7:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Why would you come into a forum where these debates often happen and present a claim like that if you had no intention of formally defending it, then?
It was just sharing my disagreement that the scientific method is the only way to verify the soul existing. I I'm allowed to share my belief. We can see ourselves existing, I can claim I see myself as a soul existing, while you claim you don't see that.
Either way to deny my claim or not, you can't prove by scientific method.
Sure we can all make claims about anything, but, in this case, I am making a claim about a shared human experience, mainly what it means to exist and our very existence. I see that a spiritual existence a reality beyond the physical world.
When it's said that I am only allowed to believe things through scientific method or formal arguments, I can say no, I am allowed to believe in free-will without that, I can believe in morality without that, I can believe in a soul without that, and I can believe even in God without that.
There is nothing to show otherwise. So at this point. I merely showing my disagreement.
We are allowed to voice our opinions and share our experiences.
If we are looking for formal proof, I have no formal proof that I have free-will, nor am I aware of it being proven by the scientific method.
I hope you don't tell me I have to prove free-will to claim I have it.
There is no such thing as a "soul". There is only your brain in motion, once your brain dies you die. Just like when car engine dies beyond repair the car can no longer speed.
Your claim of a soul has a very evolutionary psychological reason for existing. It is your flawed perception of reality. Just like seeing a butterfly in an inkblot. You are projecting your own desire to live on which is not a reality, just your real ignorance of our evolutionary drive to reproduce. "Soul" is your ignorance of your own finite existence because evolution drives us to reproduce. It is merely a flawed perception.
You were not around 4 billion years ago, nor 13 billion years ago, you never claim to have a pre birth "soul" so what makes you think you are going to have a disembodied "soul" 13 billion years from now?