RE: Heads up advice for atheists.
November 2, 2014 at 12:39 am
(This post was last modified: November 2, 2014 at 12:58 am by fr0d0.)
(November 1, 2014 at 4:56 pm)abaris Wrote:(November 1, 2014 at 4:49 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Your logic defeats itself Brian. Evidence of material objects is not possible of non material subjects. That is scientific fact.
"No one has knowledge of God" is what I was saying.
That's what everybody said - you have faith, not evidence.
And that's what I corrected if you read... I have evidence, just not the kind that you would apply to something immaterial, such as the xtian God, because such evidence would be illogical. Or to use Brians words: not the same evidence as gravity.
(November 1, 2014 at 6:54 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Deducing things from fact requires intellect. Some things, like mathematical truths can be deduced without facts. But I've yet to see anyone demonstrate god either factually or by a priori proof.
I understood you to mean you had knowledge of god without either. Are you now claiming a priori proof and if so, what is it?
So if you're aware a posteriori of mathematical non facts what do you call that?
Are you saying that you don't consider anything unless you have prior information?
In this case, we do have prior information to use. I'm guessing you're aware of it. We can test our own experience against it and confirm it's accuracy or inaccuracy. Christians test each other using the same method. Testimony is producing evidence of your salvation.
A 'demonstration' of facts to someone who doesn't accept those facts is not going to prove anything to that person. That person first needs to understand and accept them to be true. All that differs between audiences is the information received, understood and accepted. This subject is one where you have to have complete freedom to decide either way, hence belief and not proof beyond doubt. You might be sad that you can't state as fact either way, but no one can, and that's the most accurate truth here. I believe, you don't. Trying to claim victory over lack of hard evidence is futile and self demeaning intellectual suicide. Don't be stupid and claim that.