Atheism = Desperation

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No, I was saying there is good evidence computer software was made by humans because we have experience of it being made by humans, and no examples of it occuring without humans.

Whether or not there are "other universes" has no bearing on what created them, if anything. The size and complexity of something is not an indication of design. Design can only be contrasted with non-design.

Who designed god? And who designed god's designer? It's just moving the question.

So all you are now saying is that you assume god exists. Atheists just ask for evidence. Sure, if that is the case, then there is no more discussion to be had. As far as I'm concerned, untestable unfalsifiable claims are worthless.

If you want to be scientific, you assume as little as possible. You assume that what you experience is in some way real, that you can learn something about the reality, and that there are certain rules of logic. After that, you only base conclusions on evidence, observation and reasoning.

Not everyone wants to be scientific though, and that's up to them.