[quote='xpastor' pid='784428' dateline='1414523033']
This is a very tricky issue.
No - it is NO a tricky issue at all
It is actually black and white - either their statements are COMPLETELY true - or they are not.
The problem is this: Is it worth thumping liberals over their attachment to scripture? I must confess I have done that more than once. Yet liberal believers do a lot of good in the world.
Sorry - lots of people do lots of good in the world - but it is the PEOPLE who are doing the good -not the god - not the religion.
Scripture has already proven to be nonsense -
I recently had a woman who claimed her 9 year old son could prove to me that their religion is true - I told her he could not - nor could SHE - nor could her minister.
So - They came to my house - where first I had Her son read 1 Timothy 2 - where it is claimed the christ is saying (I do not accept that the christ was real) - I do not allow any woman to have any authority over a man - a woman must be SILENT - and submissive to men because it was EVE who sinned (Shortened - but accurate to the passage). So - I said to her that SHE could not talk about religion - she must be silent and refer to the two men for the rest of the afternoon. SHe immediately attacked the passage and being "OUT OF DATE" and o longer being of use.
All I said was - for the SAME reasons you reject parts of the bible - I reject the WHOLE thing. IF you do not accept it completely - then WHY should I listen to your rantings about "select portions".
So - Prove your statement without using the BIBLE - at all.
OF course - they argued for a minute - after which the young man said to me - "Can you (I) prove that a god does not exist"
I replied actually there are over 11,000 different gods - as defined by their religion - and we have absolute proof that dozens of then actually exist - and YOU cannot even argue against it. When he tried to - I said - that there are millions of people on earth who still worship the SUN - either as their god - or one of their gods. THere is absolutely no question that the sun DOES exist - you could not possibly argue otherwise. THe sun is just one of dozens of naturally occurring things and events that humans worship that are all easily proven to exist.
Egyptians worshipped their Pharaohs as living gods - as did Mayans and Aztecs - and other populations - and we CAN prove that many of the Pharaohs did exist - we have their remains - often remains of extended families - writings from them - writings from their times about them - buildings built during their reigns that are inscribed about them - and many other proofs. It simply cannot be argued that these "gods" did not exist.
So - give me THAT LEVEL proof - of your god - proof that cannot be argued with - EVERYTHING you have that can be dated to the time of your supposed christs life.
NONE - at all
This is a very tricky issue.
No - it is NO a tricky issue at all
It is actually black and white - either their statements are COMPLETELY true - or they are not.
The problem is this: Is it worth thumping liberals over their attachment to scripture? I must confess I have done that more than once. Yet liberal believers do a lot of good in the world.
Sorry - lots of people do lots of good in the world - but it is the PEOPLE who are doing the good -not the god - not the religion.
Scripture has already proven to be nonsense -
I recently had a woman who claimed her 9 year old son could prove to me that their religion is true - I told her he could not - nor could SHE - nor could her minister.
So - They came to my house - where first I had Her son read 1 Timothy 2 - where it is claimed the christ is saying (I do not accept that the christ was real) - I do not allow any woman to have any authority over a man - a woman must be SILENT - and submissive to men because it was EVE who sinned (Shortened - but accurate to the passage). So - I said to her that SHE could not talk about religion - she must be silent and refer to the two men for the rest of the afternoon. SHe immediately attacked the passage and being "OUT OF DATE" and o longer being of use.
All I said was - for the SAME reasons you reject parts of the bible - I reject the WHOLE thing. IF you do not accept it completely - then WHY should I listen to your rantings about "select portions".
So - Prove your statement without using the BIBLE - at all.
OF course - they argued for a minute - after which the young man said to me - "Can you (I) prove that a god does not exist"
I replied actually there are over 11,000 different gods - as defined by their religion - and we have absolute proof that dozens of then actually exist - and YOU cannot even argue against it. When he tried to - I said - that there are millions of people on earth who still worship the SUN - either as their god - or one of their gods. THere is absolutely no question that the sun DOES exist - you could not possibly argue otherwise. THe sun is just one of dozens of naturally occurring things and events that humans worship that are all easily proven to exist.
Egyptians worshipped their Pharaohs as living gods - as did Mayans and Aztecs - and other populations - and we CAN prove that many of the Pharaohs did exist - we have their remains - often remains of extended families - writings from them - writings from their times about them - buildings built during their reigns that are inscribed about them - and many other proofs. It simply cannot be argued that these "gods" did not exist.
So - give me THAT LEVEL proof - of your god - proof that cannot be argued with - EVERYTHING you have that can be dated to the time of your supposed christs life.
NONE - at all
