What/Who created God?

[tavarish]

A second time I'm asking you to first define your God first and be specific. I can't keep up with the various intricacies of personal biases and things you've convinced yourself of, nor do I wish to go on a wild goose chase to find out what you actually do believe.

Tavarish -

I believe that the "creator" doesn't create in the sense that we use the word to apply to ourselves. When we create, we take something, and mold it or assemble it with something else or both, which means that we need "things" to work with.

Yes, creation requires materials.

But I believe that god manifests, and everything that exists is that manifeststion.

Is there any way of distiniguishing or verifying this?

So to say that the creator must be more complex than the creation is irrelevant to that, because I'm saying that all things are manifestations of god. It's a totally different paradigm, so what you're saying there doesn't apply.

In that case, all things are a dream of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. I believe this because it feels right to me. Why do you believe your version and not mine?

If all things are manifestations of god, then there's no issue or question of what is more complex than what, or of what needs to evolve in order to become complex enough to create something. I believe that god is the source of all things, however when people think of something being the source of all things, they think of creating, or causing to come about. But that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm talking about manifesting, therefore already existing. Creation doesn't come into it, and neither does its implications.

Again, you're simply asserting things. I'd love to get into tangents, but I don't actually know what you believe God to be. Please define God, with a reasonable amount of detail so we don't trip over each other in the conversation.