RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 3, 2014 at 7:07 pm
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2014 at 7:47 pm by pocaracas.)
(November 3, 2014 at 6:05 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(November 3, 2014 at 5:40 pm)dimaniac Wrote: Type III civilization obviously consumes all parts of electromagnetic spectrum so it is not hard to detect it.
Maybe they do, but there's a secret extra part of the electromagnetic spectrum that hides their activities from everyone else.
See, I can make shit up based on absolutely no data too.
They use sub-space frequencies!
Everyone knows that!
If they can make mass travel faster than light, then imagine how fast they can make information go!!
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(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:Kalam is faulty at the premises:(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: Care to share those "reasons"?
All you've shown is "indoctrination".... I know that is a powerful force which convinces you of the existence of an unfalsifiable thing, and is the one major force that convinces people around the world to believe in the existence of the god most believed in any particular region.
Again, I've given 6 arguments which can be used for the existence of God.
Kalam, ontological, design, moral, consciousness, and resurrection.
Ontological is stupid
Design is idiot.
Morals arise evolutionarily.
Consciousness exists... a bit more on that further below, I hope...
Resurrection.... huh?! what is this doing here?!?!
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:He thinks... finally.(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: I asked how do you know that some person said a particular sentence?
I even gave you the example of another person saying a particular phrase. Did that person say that phrase?.... Did that person exist at all?
Or... what the alternative?
Think about it!
Just take any famous quote in history...the same question can be asked of that...but normally people don't question those kinds of things, they only put on the skeptic mask when it comes to the Bible.
Patrick Henry allegedly said "Give me liberty, or give me death", no problems there.
But when Jesus say "Love thy neighbor", all of a sudden, "He didn't say that!! How do you know he said it??!!"
The double standard here is apparent.
Now, did that person exist in the first place?
Oh, but you didn't say that he said that.... it was something else:
(November 2, 2014 at 1:16 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Jesus said "But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." (Matt 7:14).
Care to translate that quote? I can't see any "Love thy neighbor" in there...
gateway to life? narrow?... birth canal?
But... only a few ever find it? does he mean sperm?
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:Explain, then, under that "if", the fossil record.(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: It does matter.
The lack of order shows how disorderly your reasoning about this is.
Think about it!
It doesn't matter if it never happened. Think about it!!
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:How about you stop using your computer and your phone... also, let go of those glasses you wear for reading. Also, tv and countless other details in your life which depend on science, mainly QM.(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: Were you there?
Joke's over!
You have no way of knowing for sure how that happened... neither do I.
Thus far, nothing in my life... nothing in the growing body of evidence in all sciences... shows any hint of divine intervention.
As far as I'm concerned, nothing shows any hint of voodoo science either.
It's all voodoo and you can't see them in action... -.-'
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:You're still going on with this?(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: Why, then, should I assume a god had anything to do with any part of the development of chemistry, biochemistry, biology, psychology, etc... ?
Why should I assume that long ago, when no one was around to see it, inanimate matter suddenly came to life and began talking?
You shouldn't assume it. You should look at the evidence that has been found and which has led scientists to come to that backward extrapolation.
Visit a natural history museum. It would do wonders.... even if the items on display are only replicas (in the best interest of preserving the originals).
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:Yes.... a link which shows how not entirely compatible the reproductive systems are... unlike what you had asserted.(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: Also, Traumatic insemination
also known as hypodermic insemination, is the mating practice in some species of invertebrates in which the male pierces the female's abdomen with his penis and injects his sperm through the wound into her abdominal cavity. You'd do good to learn a few things before you spew your faulty reasoning based on limited information.
Again, you are gave a link which shows how things were after the fact. My question is regarding the origins of the sexual reproductive system and how they could have originated and involved all the while reproducing at the same time.
And you basically gave me a link where organisms were already having sex
The origins? I wasn't there... no one was.
What is known is that, at before a given point in time, the fossil record doesn't show any sexual reproduction.... and, after that point, it does show sexual reproduction.
How, exactly the passing from one to the other occurred, I don't know.. and it seems no one knows. But it must have happened.
Unless you want to claim it was some finger snap by some mythological creature... do you?
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:This reminds me of an old sentence, spoken by Kirk, James T.: What does god need with a starship?(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: Have people seen god? Really?
How come many were unconvinced that the man was a god? So much so that they even killed him... according to the story.
Because people do bad things.
To which "god" replies: Who is this creature?
Kirk: Don't you know? Aren't you god?
"Aren't you god?", indeed... wasn't the man god?! Could he not have convinced those people far before they had the desire to kill him? Heck... even while they wanted to kill him!
Force hand wave - I am not the droid...oops... man/god you're wanting to kill.
The story is so full of holes, it's amazing you people fall for it!
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:Historicity of what?!(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: Now, how can we be sure that the story portrays real events, instead of idealized ones?
We can read books regarding the Historicity of the Resurrection, and we can also watch the many debates on the subject. All of that sprinkled with a little faith, and then we can be sure.
Are you kidding me?!
There's no such thing!!!
Stop reading your biased stupid sources. Read actual archeologists which work in actual Israel!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Finkelstein
Debates?! debates?!?! debates don't attest to the truth of anything! Only, at best, to the gullibility of the audience.
Add faith to be sure... also another brilliant move when you don't want to get to the bottom of reality, but just want to feed your own delusion.
Try again... try harder... think about it.
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:Knowledge is commonly defined as "justified true belief".... for we can never "know" anything with 100% certainty.(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: Like MRSA never happens...
Our grasp of what a million years is is very tenuous... I certainly can't think about it. It's a monstrous amount of time. It's not a god... it's just time enough to adapt to the environment or die.
I see Christians aren't the only one playing the "faith" game.
Still, I'll take 99% over your ~0.0000001%.
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:So matter got senses.(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: Then define consciousness, PERIOD.
The sense of awareness. That is the short version. So basically, inanimate matter came to life and became "aware" of things
The ability to react to changes in the neighboring environment.
That's not what you want to be calling consciousness, is it?
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:So it's dead matter, huh?(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: An unconscious person has no consciousness... Words don't always convey the meaning you think they do.
Right, and a unconscious person isn't "aware" of anything either.
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:"god given"?(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: I worship nothing.
Which is your "GOD" given right...
Please, first present god... then start saying what that god does and thinks and whatnot...
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:yes.(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: I understand some science and it makes sense.
Life from inanimate material makes sense?
Crystals are well known forms of inanimate matter with self-replicating capabilities. And there are many many many different forms of crystals.
Add some biochemistry to some crystalline structure and it makes sense that you'd get a biological self-replicating molecule. Repeat lots of times.
If not this mechanism, then some other. Amino-acids exist naturally and, in certain conditions of temperature and pressure, they self-organize into cell-like structures.
It makes sense.... scientist just haven't discovered a viable mechanism by which it can all come together and form actual biochemical self-replicating molecules. But, given the available building blocks, it doesn't seem impossible.
Now... the existence of a god... does seem impossible.
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:Maybe you need to clean yours.(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: I see no god
Then maybe you need thicker glasses
(November 3, 2014 at 12:45 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:(November 3, 2014 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: except in literature or as wishful thinking...
Which sounds more reasonable?
In my opinion, Christianity is more reasonable than any scientific hypothesis that can be used to explain the origins of life, the universe, and consciousness.
It certainly is more prepared to prey on your gullibility... enjoy being wrong!