RE: Atheism = Desperation
November 4, 2014 at 3:34 am
(This post was last modified: November 4, 2014 at 3:53 am by robvalue.)
Ironically I detect a huge amount of desperation from believers to want to convince atheists that there "is a god", using the most ludicrous arguments, twisted logic, semantics and trickery.
If there is a god which is of any consequence whatsoever, no one would have to work that hard just to try to get you to admit that it is a real thing.
They could say, "well its so complex then you don't know what differences it is making or what it is doing", but if that's the case, neither do you.
If you need to define a god as something which is completely removed from any sense of reality that we have, and make it untestable, it's a desperate attempt to keep the idea "safe" from being proved wrong somehow. And if it's that "invisible", how the fuck can you possibly say that you know it is there or know anything about it?
How can you tell the difference between someone who is acting on the voice of god that they hear in their head, and a crazy person?
I'm perfectly happy to admit that there could have been some intelligent entity which started the universe off. But if there is, so what? It makes no practical difference whatsoever. You will have a hell of a job to convince me that this creator just happens to be exactly as described in a stupid story book written 2000 years ago by a load of superstitious people who just happen to have incorporated many of the mythologies floating around at the time.
These books are not magic, they are just books. Like other books. Any extra properties you think they have are the result of brainwashing. Take a step back. Put a Harry Potter book next to it. Now tell me exactly how you know which one is the magic book and which one is made up.
If there is a god which is of any consequence whatsoever, no one would have to work that hard just to try to get you to admit that it is a real thing.
They could say, "well its so complex then you don't know what differences it is making or what it is doing", but if that's the case, neither do you.
If you need to define a god as something which is completely removed from any sense of reality that we have, and make it untestable, it's a desperate attempt to keep the idea "safe" from being proved wrong somehow. And if it's that "invisible", how the fuck can you possibly say that you know it is there or know anything about it?
How can you tell the difference between someone who is acting on the voice of god that they hear in their head, and a crazy person?
I'm perfectly happy to admit that there could have been some intelligent entity which started the universe off. But if there is, so what? It makes no practical difference whatsoever. You will have a hell of a job to convince me that this creator just happens to be exactly as described in a stupid story book written 2000 years ago by a load of superstitious people who just happen to have incorporated many of the mythologies floating around at the time.
These books are not magic, they are just books. Like other books. Any extra properties you think they have are the result of brainwashing. Take a step back. Put a Harry Potter book next to it. Now tell me exactly how you know which one is the magic book and which one is made up.
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