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terrorism
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RE: terrorism
(November 4, 2014 at 1:07 pm)Blackout Wrote: In what way does a quote proves your point of view is right? According to that line of thoughts - We should legalize murder since making it illegal to kill people violates our personal liberty (I can't chose to kill people - What a let down!) and enhances security. Forbidding highly damaging or harmful freedom of expression is a common procedure in Europe - You can't incentive murder, you cant' wave a nazi flag and tell publicly all jews should be exterminated, you can't praise the Al-Qaeda's accomplishments. The problem is NOT that it is offensive, everything we say may be offensive to some people - The problem is when it is harmful to society - Considering there are a lot of ignorant uneducated people out there, we live better by stopping propaganda of certain ideas. I certainly wouldn't like to see a manifestation of people protesting against atheists and saying they should be beheaded, and I'm glad that's illegal.

I understand that for some people it may be right to never give up on freedom of expression and speech, but no right should be absolute, using rights to cause harm to others or to society as a whole shouldn't be allowed.

The phrase of giving up liberty in detriment of security being a bad choice is inherently wrong from the start since there are a lot of structures and aspects in all societies where there is a balance between both values and not a prevalence of individual freedoms - The example of being illegal to murder is an example of security being over freedom. Any other crime is a good example. France forbidding burkas and religious symbols in classrooms is another example.

I am not saying my opinion is flawless and 100% correct, but I just felt like giving a different point of view, considering what I'm saying is basically common sense in many states over Europe, I reckon it may not be in the US and Canada, but a different perspective doesn't harm does it? Wink

The quote proves nothing, but it was a simplified way to make my point. In the U.S., where you have a bumbling, incompetent government that is drowning in bureaucracy, the less control it has the better. Sure, no right is absolute, including free speech, but there are other ways to combat extremism besides allowing the government the power to regulate speech. It's easy to simply ban unpopular speech, but education that creates a public awareness that counters that speech would get the same results without putting limits on our own freedom.

My point is that we shouldn't get over-zealous with governmental regulation, especially without a deep understanding of the consequences afoot. People fear these outside threats like ISIS, but if the American reaction to 9/11 taught us anything, it is that our fear should be focused on the environment we are willing to create in the name of protection against these outside threats. Humanity has a history of making problems worse by reacting to situations without foresight, and I just want people to start looking before they leap.

Giving the government more power to regulate expression is not something that should be done without extreme cause, and so far, no one has justified doing so.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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terrorism - by xpastor - November 3, 2014 at 4:05 pm
RE: terrorism - by Faith No More - November 3, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: terrorism - by abaris - November 3, 2014 at 5:49 pm
RE: terrorism - by xpastor - November 3, 2014 at 6:21 pm
RE: terrorism - by Faith No More - November 3, 2014 at 7:14 pm
RE: terrorism - by Thumpalumpacus - November 3, 2014 at 7:47 pm
RE: terrorism - by Chas - November 3, 2014 at 8:41 pm
RE: terrorism - by Thumpalumpacus - November 3, 2014 at 9:25 pm
RE: terrorism - by Chas - November 3, 2014 at 10:09 pm
RE: terrorism - by Thumpalumpacus - November 3, 2014 at 10:29 pm
RE: terrorism - by Chas - November 3, 2014 at 10:33 pm
RE: terrorism - by Thumpalumpacus - November 4, 2014 at 12:23 am
RE: terrorism - by xpastor - November 4, 2014 at 7:14 am
RE: terrorism - by Thumpalumpacus - November 4, 2014 at 9:03 am
RE: terrorism - by Dystopia - November 4, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: terrorism - by Faith No More - November 5, 2014 at 3:57 pm
RE: terrorism - by xpastor - November 5, 2014 at 4:38 pm
RE: terrorism - by Faith No More - November 5, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: terrorism - by Minimalist - November 3, 2014 at 7:34 pm
RE: terrorism - by Minimalist - November 3, 2014 at 7:56 pm
RE: terrorism - by xpastor - November 4, 2014 at 12:59 pm
RE: terrorism - by Violet - November 5, 2014 at 8:59 am
RE: terrorism - by xpastor - November 5, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: terrorism - by Violet - November 5, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: terrorism - by xpastor - November 8, 2014 at 1:06 pm
RE: terrorism - by Violet - November 9, 2014 at 6:09 pm
RE: terrorism - by Chas - November 9, 2014 at 7:25 pm
RE: terrorism - by Violet - November 9, 2014 at 7:58 pm
RE: terrorism - by Chas - November 9, 2014 at 8:07 pm
RE: terrorism - by Violet - November 9, 2014 at 8:17 pm
RE: terrorism - by xpastor - November 10, 2014 at 12:18 pm
RE: terrorism - by abaris - November 5, 2014 at 5:07 pm
RE: terrorism - by Minimalist - November 5, 2014 at 5:52 pm
RE: terrorism - by xpastor - November 10, 2014 at 4:51 pm
RE: terrorism - by abaris - November 9, 2014 at 8:21 pm
RE: terrorism - by Violet - November 9, 2014 at 8:29 pm
RE: terrorism - by abaris - November 9, 2014 at 8:31 pm
RE: terrorism - by Violet - December 3, 2014 at 8:32 pm
RE: terrorism - by Thumpalumpacus - November 9, 2014 at 10:05 pm
RE: terrorism - by Violet - December 3, 2014 at 10:49 pm
RE: terrorism - by Minimalist - December 3, 2014 at 9:21 pm

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