Bad News with a silver lining

[Brian37]

Ok bright boy, so now you are saying both parties are in on it? So exactly if both parties are giving into the rich once again, you stupidly want to sell me the idea that less regulation would magically cause corporate America to behave itself? If both are the parties for the rich you think Corporate America would do less of what it already is doing? No, they would do even more of what they are doing.

Yes...both parties are in on it. Corporatism in America is a natural result of having a powerful central government. The more power it has...the more the incentive it is for corporations to try control it. You want to get corporations out of federal politics....return the power back to the states. Decentralize and spread out power. Make it so corporations have to lobby 50 smaller governments instead of one.

Do you know why corporations do not lobby the UN? Because it has no power. World power is spread out.

Talking points? Oh you mean like "less regulation", and "states rights".

Corporations like regulations when those regulations make it harder for competitors to enter the market. Corporations want all the power concentrated into one government.....its easier to manipulate and control 1 government rather than 50. The left plays right into the hands of big corporations. You make it easy for them...because the left is in bed with them. You just don't know it. You're a demozombie whose swallowed the demoroofies slipped into the koolaid you drink.

So when I point out rich people who side with me you wont listen to them? Which I have already done.

I think there is a case to be made that rich people should be taxed more. But I do have a problem with some things rich people say. For instant...Buffet says he has a lower tax rate than his secretary....which really isn't true. It might be nominally lower...but if you look at the situation objectively...and weed thru all the tricks the government plays to hide who's paying for what....Buffet pays a much higher percentage than his secretary.

Now Buffet is a brilliant man and I can't but help think he knows this. I have come to the conclusion he is dumbing down his message for people like you. Buffet thinks rich people should pay more taxes....I ain't got no problem with that. I'm okay with raising taxes on people like Buffet and Gates. I do got a problem when he claims he pays a smaller percentage than his secretary. Now he is furthering the lie the government is feeding you.

Sorry, you do not get to decide for the rest of society how business is conducted just because you follow one economic view.

I never claimed I did. I can say my peace...but at the end of the day...it isn't my decision.....and its not the democunts decision either.

You argument still is the same as a theists argument "My social pecking order is superior to yours" Not your absolute right to dictate to the rest of us. Get over yourself.

This is utter nonsense so I'm not going to bother to respond to it.

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Why do you assume that the objections are based on race? They could well be based on concern over the national industrial base.

You're engaging in rhetoric, attempting to paint in corners where your interlocutors aren't standing.

Discuss with sincerity, or shut the fuck up.

Why do you assume Jim Crow laws were based on racism? They could have been enacted based on concern over maintaining the establishment.

Also...I said effective racisim. Davis-Bacon may have had good intentions...that is it was trying to protect the wages of the local population from blacks migrating into the area....but its effects were clearly racist. It screwed with a whole bunch of black people. After Slavery...blacks were climbing the economic ladder just fine. The knew how to work hard. They were creating solid families. Slavery didn't destroy there communities....unjust laws after slavery did.

When you try to protect jobs for Americans at the expense of shutting out of the labor market....say the Nigerians.....you're screwing with the lives of lots of black people....because they arn't YOUR people. Its the exact same thing as racism IMO. Your intentions are irrelevant. What you caused to happen is relevant...and racist.

Wait, first you're saying that the standard of living is increasing; but now you're saying that it's the "exact same amount of goods and services."

Its hard to argue with you because you seem incapable of separating one claim from another. One claim was that the disparity between the rich and poor was widening. By showing that standard of living is increasing faster for poor people than rich people...I showed that claim to be errant.

A second claim was that if income of rich people was re-distributed to everyone else....everyone else would have more buy power. I refuted this second claim by pointing out that all that would happen would be more dollars chasing after the name number of goods and services. If you want to give people more buying power....make the more goods and services which will compete for the dollars they have.

I'm thinking you don't know what you're talking about here. Demand doesn't happen until purchasing power meets new product.

No...you don't know what your talking about. Demand happens for all sorts of reason. A law is passed requiring construction sites be surrounded by fences....demand for fences increases. A hurricaine hits and knocks out the power station for a month...demand for generators increases. I could go on and on.

I'm not advocating "giving them more money", either. If you wish to argue otherwise, quote and link the post, or shut the fuck up.

My position is get rid of social security, unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, housing assistance, heating assistance, Obama phones, and all the other government programs and safety nets. Then fire all the bureaucrats who administer that huge ragbag of benefits....Then replace it with a universal basic income. What sucks about being poor is not having any money....so just give the poor some fucking money.

I ain't got no problem with giving poor people money. I got a problem with giving poor people money and then telling them how the must spend it(or spend it for them). It bothers me tremendously that people on right and left think poor people are too stupid to manage there lives...so the government needs to manage their lives for them.

No, giving stuff away is a short-term palliative to buy off the lower classes. What you really need to do is allow them to earn the money to buy the thing that, in the end, they (we) will produce.

The reason our standards of living have increased is because more is being produced. If you want to maximally increase peoples standard of living...set up a system that maximizes production and maximizes peoples buying power.
No minimum wage.....no silly regulations......a highly progressive tax rate....and a universal basic income will accomplish that.

The fact that the CBO's numbers disagree with you demonstrate your error. The fact that you think I agree with you demonstrates your lack of English comprehension.

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think."

I don't dispute the CBO numbers. I am saying they are irrelevant. The fact that I am arguing one thing and you keep trying to make the argument about something else...something irrelevant shows that you have lost and are now strawmanning to try to save face.

If you want to win...you have to show that standards of living are not increasing....or that standards of living of the poor and middle class are growing slower than the standards of living for the rich. When I argue there is no widening disparity between rich and poor as evidenced by the closing gap in the standard of living between the rich and poor.....you can't win by tossing out irrelevant CBO numbers that have nothing to do with the claim I am making.

How about you attack the claim I am making by presenting facts relevant to the claim I am making. Can you do me the courtesy?

You are the economic version of a theist apologist. Voodo numbers on par of claiming that "6" days are not literal days and "900" years are not literal ages of humans. "Metrics"=Magic

You are just making excuses, just like theist make excuses to cling to the past.