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For Creationists.
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RE: For Creationists.
(November 15, 2014 at 5:53 pm)professor Wrote: I was asked about "Kinds", the word and concept predates the culture of evolution by several hundred years.
Lately, the naturalists are confused by what it means.

When you go to get an ice cream, you are asked what KIND you want.
You specify vanilla and you do not get chocolate.

Neither do they become one or the other over millions of years.
If you have a dog, you might be asked what KIND of dog you have?
Pretty simple isn't it.
The genetic code is what? Silly putty?

This is too vague. I've been told elsewhere that dogs are their own kind, but now you seem to be telling me that there are multiple kinds of dogs. But under that definition evolution is trivial to demonstrate, as all modern dogs descend initially from either gray wolves or an older, now extinct ancestor of the gray wolf. Something tells me that, now that this fact has been pointed out to you, kinds now mean something else entirely.

You also said that the notion of kinds predates evolution, but that's not really relevant to the issue; evolution does not and has not ever spoken on kinds. It speaks of species, and the evolution of new species from old is relatively easy to demonstrate; Gray Tree Frogs and Cope's Gray Tree Frogs being the most immediate, rapid example I can think of.

Whether the term kind came before or after evolution, the fact remains that it's not an applicable term. It was never present within the definition of evolution, and so you can't use it to say that evolution doesn't happen, any more than you can use some other random, unconnected term to argue against gravity. Kind isn't even a scientific classification, it's just some arcane, intuitive nothing of a word creationists cling to when there's nothing left for their side to argue. It certainly isn't an accurate description of the natural world, and even if it was you guys don't seem at all interested in making a case as for why we should adopt it over the current scientific classification at all.

You just seem to think we have to, because you said so.
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For Creationists. - by Lemonvariable72 - November 14, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: For creationists. - by Minimalist - November 14, 2014 at 6:01 pm
RE: For creationists. - by Lemonvariable72 - November 14, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by professor - November 14, 2014 at 7:18 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Chad32 - November 14, 2014 at 7:30 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 14, 2014 at 7:49 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by abaris - November 14, 2014 at 7:19 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by abaris - November 14, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by ManMachine - November 17, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by ThomM - November 21, 2014 at 8:55 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by professor - November 14, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by abaris - November 14, 2014 at 8:07 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 14, 2014 at 8:22 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 14, 2014 at 8:30 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Lemonvariable72 - November 14, 2014 at 8:59 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Godschild - November 14, 2014 at 11:05 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Lemonvariable72 - November 15, 2014 at 1:46 am
RE: For Creationists. - by Esquilax - November 15, 2014 at 1:23 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Godschild - November 15, 2014 at 2:08 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by abaris - November 15, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Godschild - November 15, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Exian - November 15, 2014 at 4:43 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Esquilax - November 15, 2014 at 3:13 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Chas - November 16, 2014 at 5:45 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by professor - November 14, 2014 at 8:43 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by downbeatplumb - November 15, 2014 at 4:24 am
RE: For Creationists. - by Chad32 - November 14, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 14, 2014 at 8:53 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Minimalist - November 15, 2014 at 11:24 am
RE: For Creationists. - by abaris - November 15, 2014 at 11:28 am
RE: For Creationists. - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2014 at 2:18 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by professor - November 15, 2014 at 5:53 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Lemonvariable72 - November 15, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Esquilax - November 15, 2014 at 7:36 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Thackerie - November 18, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2014 at 8:06 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by professor - November 15, 2014 at 8:29 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Esquilax - November 15, 2014 at 8:49 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Exian - November 15, 2014 at 11:34 pm
Re: RE: For Creationists. - by KUSA - November 16, 2014 at 2:25 am
RE: For Creationists. - by Esquilax - November 16, 2014 at 1:10 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Lemonvariable72 - November 16, 2014 at 3:10 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by professor - November 16, 2014 at 6:52 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Esquilax - November 16, 2014 at 9:47 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Chas - November 17, 2014 at 9:25 am
RE: For Creationists. - by professor - November 16, 2014 at 10:31 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Esquilax - November 16, 2014 at 11:40 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Exian - November 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by dyresand - November 17, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: For Creationists. - by Chad32 - November 17, 2014 at 12:16 am
RE: For Creationists. - by Lemonvariable72 - November 17, 2014 at 12:34 am
RE: For Creationists. - by dyresand - November 17, 2014 at 11:23 am
RE: For Creationists. - by professor - November 17, 2014 at 8:59 am
RE: For Creationists. - by abaris - November 17, 2014 at 9:06 am
RE: For Creationists. - by Esquilax - November 17, 2014 at 10:59 am
RE: For Creationists. - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2014 at 10:17 am
RE: For Creationists. - by FatAndFaithless - November 17, 2014 at 11:01 am
RE: For Creationists. - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2014 at 11:11 am
RE: For Creationists. - by Esquilax - November 17, 2014 at 11:17 am
RE: For Creationists. - by FatAndFaithless - November 17, 2014 at 11:12 am
RE: For Creationists. - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2014 at 11:18 am
RE: For Creationists. - by Esquilax - November 17, 2014 at 11:28 am
RE: For Creationists. - by abaris - November 17, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: For Creationists. - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2014 at 11:31 am
RE: For Creationists. - by Esquilax - November 17, 2014 at 12:08 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by downbeatplumb - November 17, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by ManMachine - November 18, 2014 at 5:29 am
RE: For Creationists. - by The Valkyrie - November 18, 2014 at 2:43 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by dyresand - November 18, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2014 at 1:54 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by downbeatplumb - November 17, 2014 at 1:57 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by popeyespappy - November 18, 2014 at 3:05 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Mothonis - November 18, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by The Valkyrie - November 18, 2014 at 3:56 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by dyresand - November 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by professor - November 18, 2014 at 10:44 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by The Valkyrie - November 18, 2014 at 10:48 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Lemonvariable72 - November 18, 2014 at 11:17 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by The Valkyrie - November 19, 2014 at 2:27 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Esquilax - November 19, 2014 at 2:36 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by The Valkyrie - November 19, 2014 at 2:37 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by dyresand - November 19, 2014 at 2:57 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by abaris - November 19, 2014 at 2:58 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by dyresand - November 19, 2014 at 3:19 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by The Valkyrie - November 19, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by dyresand - November 19, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by abaris - November 19, 2014 at 3:45 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by The Valkyrie - November 19, 2014 at 4:53 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by dyresand - November 19, 2014 at 5:05 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by abaris - November 19, 2014 at 5:07 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Smaug - November 19, 2014 at 5:10 pm
RE: For Creationists. - by Thackerie - November 20, 2014 at 10:29 am
RE: For Creationists. - by dyresand - November 21, 2014 at 12:57 am
RE: For Creationists. - by Smaug - November 21, 2014 at 9:51 am

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