Objectifying women

[Cego_Colher]

For a sec, Dotard, I thought you said that she was saying everyone was a rapist on this thread. In which case I would have said "So, I must be too, but have had dreams where I was raping women." But that was just in dreams so it's okay I'm not even sure if I was a guy the entire time, either.

are you a table, Godhead? what I really mean is with sexual things, yes we are sex objects. If we are talking about things that aren't directly related to sex, being an object isn't really a good thing. and I know you are also talking about it being okay, because men are too. Though, I am at least pretending to recall that this thread was about sexism.

I'm going to talk about Simone de Beauvoir for a bit now. en-soi and poir-soi, en-soi means in itself. like an object, but not a people object an actual one that is- say a chair, it can be nothing other then a chair. Whereas poir-soi means being for itself. like someone who can grow from what they see and learn and such. Well, what I read of hers that was talking about for and in itself was about dependent love in women, which was the woman would look to the man to know what she was and she wasn't anything without him. like we say the chair is a chair and sitting on it is how it's used, but a person they don't need someone to say what they are for.

I suppose if we go with that and Godhead's we are all learning objects. Oh, well.

but if you want to talk about fantasies go ahead-- not that I could stop you anyway.