(July 14, 2010 at 4:39 am)tackattack Wrote: 1- Correct God is not omnipotent if you define omnipotent as just all powerful, and no I don’t believe the universe is infinite. I apologize if my posts seemed vague, that wasn’t my intent.That IS the definition of one being omnipotent - omnipotence comes from the Latin phrase Omni Potens which means "all-power" i.e. unlimited power. This is normally an attribute or characteristic assigned to your god concept at least as far as monotheistic religions go.
tackattack Wrote:2- You can have the best intentions (good heats) and still have them misplaced. I believe the scriptures are quite clear regarding the destruction of the soul and the day of reckoning. While it’s regrettable the imagery used was in a fiery torment, that’s what I have to go on. The question still remains, if you were given irrefutable evidence (by actually being in the presence) of God, would you have regrets for any of your incorrect life’s view (and the actions caused) from before?First you attempt a Watchmaker Argument and now you're attempting a pseudo Pascal's Wager here, perhaps unintentionally, but you're still reinforcing the notion of betting on infinity leading to the probability of believing in the wrong god(s) or disbelieving the true one(s). What if the Invisible Pink Unicorn was real? Would you have regrets for subscribing to a false idol instead of her? Here's a tentative suggestion: try reading up on the argument from inconsistent revelations first or you could save time researching and simply watch this brilliantly insightful video from TheraminTrees and QualiaSoup, either way place your bets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZpJ7yUPwdU
tackattack Wrote:3- Humanity advocated slavery and the murdering of first-born infants, and used God as an excuse. The Bible is clear on doing things for the gain of wealth in this world and unjust murder and simply declaring it God’s will, without the sacrament of confirmation, is not only flagrantly selfish and un Christian, but fanaticism at it’s worst.Yes that's what happens in the real-world for the various atrocities stated, in the Bible however, it is Yahweh that is speaking in the first-person, he is giving the orders and commandments to his chosen people to murder and/or enslave other peoples and races.
tackattack Wrote:4- As far as oblivion, they didn’t have the science to understand atoms and molecules. When it says you’re destroyed body and soul, it as simple as the atoms that compose your body will decompose and your soul will cease to be.Point is my atoms *carry on existing*. Your God concept whether he exists or not *cannot* destroy my body (matter) entirely because that would violate the fundamental laws of physics with regards to the Law of Conservation of Mass, so this theologian belief is already proven to be false as far as Empirical laws are concerned and you've yet to demonstrate a soul actually exists, let alone god(s).
tackattack Wrote:5- It’s not a contradictory position. I believe Hell is a place after the judgment where those who aren’t allowed in God’s presence to reside. You won’t be there, at least not for eternity. God as an entity would exists wherever he exists and then wherever he’s not in the nothingness is hell. Hell is a separation from God; sin is doing things that take you farther from God, thus closer to hell.This is why apologists often assert it is a state, an illusion of separation from God, not a literal place, because even they recognise that within Biblical scriptures Hell is quoted as being in God's (and Jesus') divine inescapable presence because monotheistic religious philosophers assert God is omnipresent i.e. he is everywhere, that subsequently includes the not-so-eternal Hell you assert is true.
tackattack Wrote:6- Yes bottom line you’ll be accountable for your life and depending on your answer to my question in #2 you’ll get your result.And why conversely is God not accountable for any wrong doing in my life? If God doesn't believe in Gods does that make him an atheist too? Will he be condemned by some higher God/deity for simply not believing without evidence too? ;P
tackattack Wrote:7- I don’t appreciate it’s eternal, because I don’t believe it is. Hell may exist for eternity but how can you be eternally punished and destroyed to the point of oblivion? Simple answer you can’t. I thought I was clear on this before but apparently not. You destroy both soul and body in hell, is pretty clear on its interpretation that hell is a place for your soul to be destroyed to oblivion.Again, please define what a soul actually is first and how exactly can it be destroyed at all before making aforementioned claims about it.