Where are the Morals?

[Surgenator]

Nope, Natural Selection doesn't make mystical stories of the creation of man. It only deals with how species change over generations. It is also not blind and not random. So please throw your strawman versions away.

Please share with us your fabulous information on the mechanism of NATURAL SELECTION if, according to you, it is not blind, random, and unguided process.

First off, I never said it wasn't blind. I said it is not random. Know the difference.

In the meantime read a real book on biology

By nature man is a selfish being who is least bothered about moral criterions of other people. At the liberty, he has the power to rationalize almost anything carelessly that fits in the models of his satisfaction and pleasures. If everyone get freedom to fabricate his own morals according to desired preferences that freedom has the power to create monocracy, dictatorship, and tyranny in the society because people are more inclined towards their pleasures and have serious limitations to see the future consequences.

Your discriptions of human society is plainly wrong. Humans are social creatures who care about what other humans think of them. Human communities make laws, some are moral and some are not. An individual can make their own. If they disagree with the community's, they are marked as a deviant. That doesn't mean the deviants morals are inferior, they can be superior to the communities. Your claim that the induviduals will always lead to inferior morals is plainly wrong when considered things like slavery and pedophilia.

Quote:Aisha was not the only woman who has a historical significance and who was married at a young age.
Irrelavent. Other people commiting paedophilia paedophilia doesn't excuse them nor Muhammad.

What is the source of your information?

Your quotes and logic.

On what authority are you accusing Prophet Mohammad for paedophilia?

Definiton of pedophilia.

I repeat my comments:

By nature man is a selfish being who is least bothered about moral criterions of other people. At the liberty, he has the power to rationalize almost anything carelessly that fits in the models of his satisfaction and pleasures. If everyone get freedom to fabricate his own morals according to desired preferences that freedom has the power to create monocracy, dictatorship, and tyranny in the society because people are more inclined towards their pleasures and have serious limitations to see the future consequences.

Already answered above.

We know he (Mohammad) was a paedophile. So lets hear it Muslims, "paedophilia is ok."

You have to show me undisputable source on the authority of which you are accusing Prophet Mohammad for Paedophilia in a Heroic manner.

It's called a definition.

Science can modify primal senses, feelings, and emotions. It's called drugs.

Are you a drug addict? If not then why are you reluctant in having some fun by having those SCIENTIFIC DRUGS to MODIFY your PRIMAL SENSES, FEELINGS, and EMOTIONS?

So you decided to go after a character assassination route. Seems like you can't argue against the obvious counter to your BS.

Plus, didn't Mohammad split the moon in half according to you? We've been to the moon, and no trace of a splite exist.

People until recently did not know about Halocline, process of child birth, the way the universe came into being, and many other things which Quran had pointed to about fifteen hundred years ago.

So you found a gap in knowledge and shoved your god in there. I hope he's not claustrophobic, because those gaps keep getting smaller.

Simply science has not reached to the point where it can discover everything about the moon. Else, if by now those facts are already available, do you think that people who detest Islam would let that information to escape in the public domain? Never, for them that information has a high strategic value.

So we need to know everything before we can say anything? A previously split moon would be easy to identify. You just need to look for a the big-continuous ridge circling the whole moon.

People have pointed it out that the moon was not split. How do you think I knew about it?

And if you do not bring them a miracle, they say: "Why have you not brought it?" Say: "I but follow what is revealed to me from my Lord. This (the Quran) is nothing but evidences from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe."

Al A'raf (7)
-Verse 203-

I'm so sorry for making fun of you. I though you were full of shit until you quoted your holy book. That makes all the difference.

Quote:If you were a Muslim (which I doubt) then most probably you left Islam to have free sex. Free sex is one of the major temptation that causes theist to become an atheist.

OR ... someone left because they reliaze how bad shit crazy it is.

I would be obliged if you show some illogical things mentioned in Quran and Hadith.

I would be obliged if you show some logical things proving the Quran and Hadith.

1.6% of atheist in the US. 0.07% of atheist in prison. Who is doing the misrepresentation?

Please provide some government source that confirm these statistics. Otherwise, your statement is nothing but a Blah!

The percentage rose since the last time to 2.4%
The government site is in there

Let me correct that for you
"Religion gives NO knowledge about good and bad therefore it is not like atheism that faces dilemma of distinguishing between what is good and what is bad. Even the belief that God is the creator of everything is WILL NOT give a distinction between good and bad."

You have added two words “NO” and “WILL NOT” without references that may serve to support them. Both these words are insignificant.

Do I really need to point out the atrocities done in the name of religion like this, this, this, this, and of course this.

Oh! Another supporter of homosexuality.
It is so intimidating that you (atheists) have replaced God with science but when you talk about homosexuality, you utterly ignore your own Majestic Science.

You mean that homosexuality happens naturally? If god didn't want it, you shouldn't make animals gay.

If you have solid argument then bring in that instead of throwing FALLACY expression. These FALLACY lingos normally work well to confusion general audiences.

Why should I argue against a fallacy?

Godmade laws lead humanity to atrocities.

19 and 20 centuries had shown otherwise. In the contemporary world, this authoritarianism continues in the countries where atheists are in power.

Instead of saying no they don't and heres the proof, you argue that man's do to.

What part of "there is no athiest spokes person" do you not understand? You seem to always want to tell us what we think instead of listenning to what we actually think.

I do not care whether there is a spokesperson in atheism or not. I do care about rational and logical arguments no matter whether presented by some spokesperson or by you.

This means you will stop quoting Dawkins or Harris about atheism as if their opinions dictate other atheist opinions. I look forward to it.

Because the atheist can come up with better morals if they discuss them instead of proclaiming a higher morals because I-have-god-on-my-side.

Yes, we know about atheist dictators and their wonderful morals.

Yes, we know about those theist dictators and their wonderful morals. Before you start listing your list, you should look up nationalism. It will explain a lot if you're willing to think about it.

I can show you many creation stories involving eggs, either the universe, or a god coming out of an egg.
It doesn't prove or disprove anything about gods existing, coming out of eggs, or anything of the sort.

I can show you many creation stories involving gods with a wife, and children.
This doesn't disprove Islam which says god had no wife or children or show anything. It doesn't mean that there is a god or that he had children or a wife.

Women, children, clay, birds, snakes are things that primitive cultures used often in their stories, myths and legends.

See! The Hadith that you had presented was about “creation of man from clay” and I have structured my response accordingly.

If you give me a Hadith that shows “creation stories involving eggs, women, children, birds, and snakes, either the universe or a god coming out of an egg,” I will then structure my response according to that.

Lets start with the man from clay. Please provide evidence that man was made from clay.