RE: Systematically Dismantling Atheism
November 24, 2014 at 7:37 pm
(This post was last modified: November 24, 2014 at 7:45 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
-ah, as for the enlightening debate...stick around until Benny gets back, he and I go at it periodically (and I bet I'm much more grating and dickish with him....but only because I like the guys opinions and style so much) - and I have a bone to pick, related to our (you and I) little misunderstanding.
I think that people often confuse subject with status when they consider agnosticism and atheism/theism. Agnosticism refers to the subject of belief, the ism that follows: the status of their belief (either in relation to or completely absent of knowledge). Benny essentially allowed a definition of god that could be anything or nothing, and so saying that he didn't know what he was talking about (and neither did others) was an effect of that slippery definition, imo. He's that super neutral neutral, the agnostic agnostic I was talking about - that claims no knowledge of his own beliefs, or at least he seems to think so. I have doubts. While I;m perfectly willing to accept that he (or anyone who claims so) is an agnostic regarding gods - the subject, I have difficulty making sense of claiming agnosticism regarding the ism that follows, the status of belief. As far as that's concerned, I feel that it's a binary proposition and each of us is pretty well aware of where we stand (and that's how I got into it with you...btw). Agnosticism doesn't, to me, seem to apply -to that-.
I think that people often confuse subject with status when they consider agnosticism and atheism/theism. Agnosticism refers to the subject of belief, the ism that follows: the status of their belief (either in relation to or completely absent of knowledge). Benny essentially allowed a definition of god that could be anything or nothing, and so saying that he didn't know what he was talking about (and neither did others) was an effect of that slippery definition, imo. He's that super neutral neutral, the agnostic agnostic I was talking about - that claims no knowledge of his own beliefs, or at least he seems to think so. I have doubts. While I;m perfectly willing to accept that he (or anyone who claims so) is an agnostic regarding gods - the subject, I have difficulty making sense of claiming agnosticism regarding the ism that follows, the status of belief. As far as that's concerned, I feel that it's a binary proposition and each of us is pretty well aware of where we stand (and that's how I got into it with you...btw). Agnosticism doesn't, to me, seem to apply -to that-.
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