RE: Religion had good intentions, but nature has better
November 25, 2014 at 6:13 pm
(This post was last modified: November 25, 2014 at 6:18 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
(November 25, 2014 at 6:01 pm)Confused Ape Wrote:(November 25, 2014 at 5:50 pm)abaris Wrote: Yes, they're attaching beliefs to something that's only disbelief. I repeat, you have to attach something, since there's no ideology in not believing in any kind of higher being.
I agree with you here. Those scary atheists showed me that even some atheists aren't immune from forming beliefs about atheism and trying to turn those beliefs into an ideology.
Religion, atheism, politics and science etc etc are all neutral. They can be used for good or ill depending on the humans involved.
(November 25, 2014 at 5:52 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Erm..not really, no. Just about every religion has pronouncements about how to act morally. Those are, by definition, either moral, amoral, or immoral.
So what if everyone became an atheist. Would there be ideas about what behaviour is moral, amoral and immoral or would there be no laws at all so everyone could do what they liked?
Of course we'd have ideas of right and wrong, don't be daft. But none of those ideas come from atheism, they'd come from moral value systems (which atheism has none of). Humanism, secularism, transhumanism, fanatical adherence to the american constitution, whatever system fr which you derive your morals has statements of moral right and wrong something atheism doesn't have.
Atheism gets no credit for moral actions (I'd chalk that up to a sense of empathy and humanism) but nor can you point to an immoral action or belief (say..."we should kill all theists ") and call that a result of atheism.
Atheism is an utterly neutral proposition because there are no moral precepts or pronouncements.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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