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Aquinas's Fifth Way
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RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way
(November 26, 2014 at 6:05 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: 1: Things (composites of material and form) remain as they are and do not change unless an external influence or power within themselves acts, i.e. a cause or reason.
Disagree. Nuclear decays have no external forces on them that forces them to decay.

(November 26, 2014 at 6:05 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: 2: The regularity of efficient causation requires that causes be determined to particular effects; such that, when, in the absence of a countervailing influence, cause C is directed to effect E, then C tends to have E as a result.

3: An efficient cause is an actualizing event that tends toward a specific end, that is to say, cause C attains effect E by means of intentionality.
"Intentionality" is the wrong word to use here. Intentionality suggest forethought which is not always the case. For example, a faulty wire does not think "i'll burn the house down" before it causes it.

(November 26, 2014 at 6:05 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: 4: Intentionality is characteristic of intelligent agency.

5: Unthinking causes do not have within themselves the power to intend toward regular effects.
Please define regular effects.

Quote:6: Therefore, some intelligent agent directs unthinking causes toward their effects.

I think that’s pretty good modern summary, but I’m open to suggestions.

Your premice 3, is the conclusion you reach in 6, because you demand that causes have forethought.
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Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Neo-Scholastic - November 26, 2014 at 6:05 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by abaris - November 26, 2014 at 6:10 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Ben Davis - November 26, 2014 at 6:13 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Jenny A - November 26, 2014 at 6:14 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Neo-Scholastic - November 26, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Jenny A - November 26, 2014 at 6:42 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Esquilax - November 26, 2014 at 6:48 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Anomalocaris - November 26, 2014 at 6:58 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Neo-Scholastic - November 26, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Angrboda - November 26, 2014 at 8:41 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Neo-Scholastic - November 26, 2014 at 8:49 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Esquilax - November 26, 2014 at 9:55 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Mudhammam - November 27, 2014 at 1:04 am
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by abaris - November 26, 2014 at 6:18 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Jenny A - November 26, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by The Grand Nudger - November 26, 2014 at 8:07 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Minimalist - November 26, 2014 at 8:20 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Surgenator - November 26, 2014 at 11:05 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by JuliaL - November 26, 2014 at 11:25 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Minimalist - November 26, 2014 at 11:43 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Alex K - November 27, 2014 at 5:33 am
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Brian37 - November 27, 2014 at 6:56 am
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Neo-Scholastic - November 28, 2014 at 11:24 am
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by FifthElement - November 28, 2014 at 11:29 am
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Neo-Scholastic - November 28, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by FifthElement - November 29, 2014 at 1:17 am
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Esquilax - November 28, 2014 at 2:08 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Neo-Scholastic - November 28, 2014 at 2:59 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Esquilax - November 28, 2014 at 3:46 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Mudhammam - November 29, 2014 at 2:44 am
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2014 at 11:26 am
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Neo-Scholastic - November 28, 2014 at 1:08 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2014 at 1:15 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2014 at 3:04 pm
RE: Aquinas's Fifth Way - by Angrboda - November 28, 2014 at 5:29 pm

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