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Why 'should' atheists be moral?
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RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral?
(December 2, 2014 at 1:13 pm)rasetsu Wrote:
(December 2, 2014 at 12:17 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Because that would be stupid, as you've conceded elsewhere when you acknowledged that a society where we don't do that is better than one where we do. Broken individuals may not have sufficiently developed moral sentiments of fairness and reciprocity, senses of guilt and shame, or sufficient empathy to refrain from preying on their fellow humans; but the majority do.

I believe he's asking a higher level question. Where does the moral dimension of moral questions come from in an atheist world? I may choose to eat that extra slice of pie, and I shouldn't because I don't like the consequences of eating it, but consequences alone don't make the should of not eating a piece of pie into a moral 'should'. No matter the consequences of eating that piece of pie, it doesn't become a matter for morals. Now if I choose to steal something, that shouldn't has a moral dimension that eating the pie does not, even though I may suffer just as much from both. The question I think he's asking is where does this 'moral dimension' come from?

I'm willing to entertain that. However, this:

'I agree we are the way we are because we evolved as social creatures, but now we are intelligent enough to realise that, why do we not go back to every man himself?'

Sounds like: 'Now that we know our moral sentiments are evolved, why should we follow them?'

That we're better off (happier and safer) if we don't ignore our moral intuitions answers that question. To a reasonable extent, so does 'What do our moral sentiments being evolved have to do with whether we should or shouldn't follow them?'.

As far as 'higher level' answers to that question, I don't see how it's reasonable to expect us to have a definitive answer that still eludes moral philosophers. At some point, an axiom has to be invoked, otherwise it's 'why?' all the way down.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 12:48 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by LostLocke - November 28, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Chad32 - November 28, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 1:13 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Grandizer - November 28, 2014 at 7:44 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Esquilax - November 28, 2014 at 1:13 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Esquilax - November 28, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Esquilax - November 28, 2014 at 2:22 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 2:39 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by abaris - November 28, 2014 at 2:41 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 2:44 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by abaris - November 28, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Chad32 - November 28, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Exian - November 28, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 1:27 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Exian - November 28, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mister Agenda - December 2, 2014 at 12:17 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Angrboda - December 2, 2014 at 1:13 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mister Agenda - December 2, 2014 at 5:07 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by bennyboy - December 2, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Whateverist - January 4, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Neo-Scholastic - November 28, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Chad32 - November 28, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mister Agenda - December 1, 2014 at 11:58 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 1:36 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2014 at 1:30 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 1:42 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 2:02 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Exian - November 28, 2014 at 2:18 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2014 at 1:54 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by robvalue - November 28, 2014 at 1:55 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 2:15 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Exian - November 28, 2014 at 2:33 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by abaris - November 28, 2014 at 2:36 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Exian - November 28, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by LostLocke - November 28, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2014 at 2:09 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 2:28 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by robvalue - November 28, 2014 at 2:26 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2014 at 2:28 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by robvalue - November 28, 2014 at 2:42 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 28, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Chad32 - November 28, 2014 at 3:39 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by robvalue - November 28, 2014 at 3:14 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Angrboda - November 28, 2014 at 4:38 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Exian - November 28, 2014 at 6:09 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Ben Davis - November 28, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 7:33 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by abaris - November 28, 2014 at 7:40 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Exian - November 28, 2014 at 7:42 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 28, 2014 at 7:53 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Grandizer - November 28, 2014 at 8:19 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Ben Davis - November 28, 2014 at 8:23 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mequa - November 28, 2014 at 11:19 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by robvalue - November 29, 2014 at 12:24 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by mralstoner - November 29, 2014 at 12:40 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by robvalue - November 29, 2014 at 12:55 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mudhammam - November 29, 2014 at 2:34 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Neo-Scholastic - November 30, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Grandizer - November 30, 2014 at 8:41 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Thumpalumpacus - November 29, 2014 at 2:50 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by bennyboy - November 29, 2014 at 2:57 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by vincent150 - November 29, 2014 at 6:09 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by mralstoner - November 29, 2014 at 6:55 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Grandizer - November 29, 2014 at 9:14 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 1, 2014 at 10:20 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by mralstoner - December 1, 2014 at 9:56 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Tonus - November 29, 2014 at 7:05 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Whateverist - November 29, 2014 at 9:37 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by MysticKnight - November 30, 2014 at 12:54 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Whateverist - November 30, 2014 at 2:30 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mudhammam - November 30, 2014 at 5:17 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by MysticKnight - November 30, 2014 at 5:37 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mudhammam - November 30, 2014 at 6:00 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by MysticKnight - November 30, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mudhammam - December 1, 2014 at 9:32 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by MysticKnight - December 1, 2014 at 6:29 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mudhammam - December 1, 2014 at 6:33 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by MysticKnight - December 1, 2014 at 6:47 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mudhammam - December 1, 2014 at 6:53 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by MysticKnight - December 1, 2014 at 7:39 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mudhammam - December 2, 2014 at 12:00 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by robvalue - November 30, 2014 at 2:50 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by The Valkyrie - November 30, 2014 at 6:08 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by abaris - November 30, 2014 at 6:12 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by simplemoss - December 1, 2014 at 9:58 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 2, 2014 at 2:16 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Neo-Scholastic - December 2, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 3:37 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by LastPoet - December 2, 2014 at 3:41 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Neo-Scholastic - December 2, 2014 at 4:07 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mudhammam - December 2, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Neo-Scholastic - December 2, 2014 at 5:10 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 5:13 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mudhammam - December 2, 2014 at 7:25 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Neo-Scholastic - December 2, 2014 at 8:55 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mudhammam - December 2, 2014 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Mister Agenda - December 2, 2014 at 5:28 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Esquilax - January 4, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Indiveren - December 2, 2014 at 10:15 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by bennyboy - December 2, 2014 at 10:57 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Indiveren - December 3, 2014 at 12:02 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Neo-Scholastic - December 3, 2014 at 7:25 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Indiveren - December 3, 2014 at 7:30 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Exian - December 3, 2014 at 7:43 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Indiveren - December 3, 2014 at 7:46 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Exian - December 3, 2014 at 7:57 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Indiveren - December 3, 2014 at 8:10 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by BlackMason - January 4, 2015 at 8:33 am
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by Brian37 - January 4, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: Why 'should' atheists be moral? - by robvalue - January 4, 2015 at 1:08 pm
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