RE: 13 doctrines of radical Islam and ISIS
December 4, 2014 at 1:16 pm
(This post was last modified: December 4, 2014 at 1:37 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(December 3, 2014 at 2:47 pm)Cato Wrote:(December 3, 2014 at 1:34 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The Quran does not say Aisha was 6. It's hadiths that state that.
Really? I guess that makes it okay then particularly since we know that the hadiths don't inform Islam in the slightest and have absolutely no influence over the behavior of Muslims.
They aren't given the same weight as the Qu'ran, and different Muslim sects accept or reject different ones. Qu'ranists throw them out entirely.
(December 3, 2014 at 8:55 pm)mralstoner Wrote:(December 3, 2014 at 2:15 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Never heard of Moses, eh?Good point, but Christians don't follow Moses.
That's true. There is a religion that does though. It's on the tip of my tongue....
(December 4, 2014 at 2:33 am)Jhayward Wrote: They primarily follow Jesus and ignore the bad parts of the OT, generally speaking.
Except for the bad parts a particular Christian sect likes. There are at least tens of thousands of Christians in the USA who would support stoning as a punishment for adultery.
(December 3, 2014 at 8:55 pm)mralstoner Wrote: And likewise the Jews don't hold up Moses to be a role model for all to follow.
That's the one! Judaism! Moses is honored in Jewish tradition as a person of unequaled spiritual character. On what do you base the notion that theistic Jews don't hold him up as a role model? Or think that he shouldn't have commanded the atrocities that he did? He was acting in the name of God, dude. God talked to him. Theistic Jews certainly believe that everyone should listen when God talks to them and do what God commands...although they're allowed to bargain with him.
(December 3, 2014 at 8:55 pm)mralstoner Wrote: But in Islam, there are 90 verses which command Muslims to imitate Mohammed ("a beautiful pattern of conduct"). He is the perfect role model, for all Muslims, for all time.
So, you're an Islamic fundamentalist? Because those are the people you're agreeing with. How the vast majority of Muslims can be peaceful instead of desert warlords like Mohammed with armies at their command and a dozen wives must be mystifying to you.
But it's a really good point, otherwise. Other religions are much better at following their exemplars. Look at how most Christians give up their worldly goods to the poor and devote their lives to serving God with no thought to the future or temporal matters, the way they're told so often to do in the NT. If most Muslims were as literal as most Christians, we'd really be in trouble,wouldn't we?
It wouldn't hurt to bear in mind that Muslims are humans like the rest of us. Fanatics aren't the norm. And treating Islam like it's monolithic and all you have to do to understand it is to look up some verses in the Qu'ran is not only the most superficial understanding you could strive for, it does a disservice to reform movments within Islam, and brave Muslims trying to change things. Over-generalizing is not a good companion to rationalism. It's not that hard to say 'Islamic extremists' instead of 'Islam'.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.