(December 5, 2014 at 1:36 pm)Jhayward Wrote: Tonus: One cannot prove that its settings are tunable with science... Science can't do it. science is awesome but fundamentally limited.I didn't set the condition, though I am curious which other way you might be able to prove that those settings can be changed. In any case, if it's not possible to prove it, then we cannot use it as evidence of anything. If it was possible to prove that the settings can be changed, then we would need to know if there is a range of tolerances within which life is possible. And there's no way to test that, either.
In short, we cannot even say for sure that the universe is "tuned" at all, much less that it is tuned to ideal settings, or that either of those would point to a creator.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould
