(July 18, 2010 at 5:45 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote: This is a contradiction. If historically there never was a shared common moral code than there can be none in retrospection. To posit one in hindsight would be a revisionistic action trying to rewrite history. You cannot just posit that moral positions on gender equality and slavery are absolute throughout time.
What I am distinguishing between is what people did believe and what people ought to have believed. So in no way am I trying to rewrite history. We can claim that people believed different things at different times, but that doesn't mean that what they believed at any given time was necessarily morally right, just because they believed it.
(July 18, 2010 at 3:33 pm)The Omnissiunt One Wrote: Denying this would pave the way for moral subjectivism or moral nihilism, and I think we've agreed that this isn't a practical viewpoint to hold.
Again, I've never derived an is from an ought. Although people have always believed different things, and therefore morality as a phenomenon has varied from culture to culture, and person to person, I'd argue that slavery was always wrong, voluntary euthanasia always right, etc., on a utilitarian basis. This has no bearing on what people believed.
Quote:Historically speaking babys, dogs and mentally disabled have been hurt under culturally dictated moral codes. In certain groups of world population the hurting of dogs and the mentally disabled sadly enough is still a common practice. If you wanna explain that in other groups these things are seen as morally wrong you should look at the way how stability in these societies is ensured by moral agreements.
Have I ever said that other cultures regard these things as morally wrong? Clearly some don't. That doesn't mean that they're right.
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'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
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'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln