Where are the Morals?

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Correct, people care about what other people think of them because humans are contingent beings. As part of a social group, a person is obliged to respect others in order to earn respect for himself. However, true nature of each individual is egotistical. Man never releases any opportunity out of any event or activity from which he can derive enjoyment whether there is a necessity for it or not. This attribute shines when a man gets the power to implement his preferred criterions over others and does not fear of having any moral accountability. Hitler, Stalin … are great examples of such narcissistic character.

Thats a long way to say that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Since God created us in his image, then he must be the most corrupt, immoral being in the universe.

Irrelavent. Other people commiting paedophilia paedophilia doesn't excuse them nor Muhammad.

I guess you do not differentiate between marriage and paedophilia because of the age factor. If so then you are gravely wrong.

First off, you should quote me correctly. Don't clump your statement as if it were mine.

It's also apperent that you don't use the definition of paedophilia. The definition has no exception for marrage. Therefore, your argument is a FAIL.

Harris:What is the source of your information?
Your quotes and logic.

My arguments are saying that Prophet Mohammad was not a paedophilia.

I am still waiting to see the source of information based on what you are making flamboyant allegations on the character of Prophet Mohammad.

So mohammad claimed he is not a pedophile while married to a child. Then mohammad is a liar or dilusional. Mostly likely both.

Definiton of pedophilia.

What the definition of paedophilia has to do with the source of information, which gives us the knowledge on how Prophet Mohammad lived his life?

Your quotes.

It's called a definition.

Please try to be precise.

From where did you get the knowledge that Prophet Mohammad married with 9 years old Aisha.

Answer above.

So you decided to go after a character assassination route. Seems like you can't argue against the obvious counter to your BS.

Are you kidding? Drugs are nothing new to humans. Your statement “Science can modify primal senses, feelings, and emotions. It's called drugs,” is a baseless assertion that only shows lack of your knowledge.

http://inpud.wordpress.com/timeline-of-e...-of-drugs/

5 seconds of google easily refutes your claim.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/news-events/nid...ansmission
http://www.livescience.com/16287-mushroo...-term.html

People until recently did not know about Halocline, process of child birth, the way the universe came into being, and many other things which Quran had pointed to about fifteen hundred years ago.

So you found a gap in knowledge and shoved your god in there. I hope he's not claustrophobic, because those gaps keep getting smaller.

You have no knowledge about Quran and all what you are saying is based upon the popular propaganda against Islam.

Let us take an example of Halocline again. This phenomenon is a modern discovery but Allah has revealed this fact about fifteen hundred years ago in an illiterate and ignorant community, which lived in the middle of a desert far from coastal regions and has very little knowledge about oceans.

“It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.”
Al Furqaan (25)
-Verse 53-

“He has let loosed the two seas (the salt water and the sweet) meeting together.
Between them is a barrier which none of them can transgress.”
Ar Rahmaan (55)
Verses 19 – 20

“Or, Who has made the earth firm to live in; made rivers in its midst; set thereon mountains immovable; and made a separating bar between the two bodies of flowing water? (can there be another) god besides Allah. Nay, most of them know not.”
An Naml (27)
-Verse 61-

These three verses only confirm that revelation of Halocline in Quran is by no means a coincidence.

So as you see that Quran has exposed a recently discovered scientific fact about fifteen hundred years ago.

Is to this you call “God of the gaps?”

Modern science is only endorsing the fact what Quran had revealed about 1500 years ago.

Is not it a miracle?

Thats you evidence.
First, none of your quotes even mention nor hint anyting about child birth.
Second, halocline gives you a difference between salty water and saltier water.

So we need to know everything before we can say anything?

We should have sufficient knowledge about human endeavours because they literally influence almost all concepts.

We do know sufficient knowledge. And it disagrees with your belief. Deal with it.

A previously split moon would be easy to identify. You just need to look for a the big-continuous ridge circling the whole moon.

People have pointed it out that the moon was not split. How do you think I knew about it?

Today, the information (true or false) spread around the world in seconds. There are people who take any information flippantly whereas some people contemplate before they give their opinions.

I have a solid ground to believe that Quran is the word of God even if something in it scientifically unproven. Scientists are working hard and they are testifying truthfulness of the facts mentioned in Quran by their scientific discoveries. I am sure that eventually science would testify the split of the moon if that fact yet not discovered. We cannot rule out the possibility that this discovery had already been made but due to strategic importance, this information is concealed from the public by intention.

Sorry pal, but the overwhelming majority of scientist already know the Quran's claims are plainly wrong. Plus, we mapped 99 percent of the moon. If the moon was split, we would know about it.

I'm so sorry for making fun of you. I thought you were full of shit until you quoted your holy book. That makes all the difference.

I ask you to spend some time in reading this conversation from the beginning. In this conversation, I have established sufficient reasoning with the help of Quran, philosophy, and science to show that disbelief in the existence of God is irrational.

I encourage you read the responces to your arguments. If you imagine that they're countering Judaism, you'll realize how your arguments don't hold up.

I would be obliged if you show some logical things proving the Quran and Hadith.

Read this discussion from the beginning. After reading it you will have enough logical reasoning that helps you to understand Quran and Hadith in a better way.

So I'll understand the details of how the Quran and Hadith is wrong. No thank you, I have better things to do with my time.

The percentage rose since the last time to 2.4%
The government site is in there

Internet is flooded with such websites. Please find some government source, which gives the figures based on survey conducted in 2013 or 2014.

Or, you can look at the main source inside the link I gave you. This will at least make you glance at the counter argument. It migh force you to read it.

Do I really need to point out the atrocities done in the name of religion like this, this, this, this, and of course this.

I had already given my responses on similar criticisms. Please read this conversation from the beginning.

It is so intimidating that you (atheists) have replaced God with science but when you talk about homosexuality, you utterly ignore your own Majestic Science.

You mean that homosexuality happens naturally? If god didn't want it, you shouldn't make animals gay.

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Do you not know how to use the qoute button? Your mixing my quotes with yours.

What are you trying to prove here? Are you saying there is no difference between humans and animals including low life forms?

Are you telling me that humans are not animals? Or you don't understand that your god can't even make the animals straight. She must really be pathetic or likes to see some man on man action once in a while.

If you are saying that because there are rare homosexual cases in animals and God made them so to justify homosexual behaviour in human then I can bring savage behaviour of animals to justify acts of Hitler and Stalin and say God made them so.

What kind of argument is that?

It's an argument against your perfect god. It's also not a rare cases.

God is the creator of everything. He knows best what the purpose of His created beings is. We can never comprehend the purpose of everything in our short lives hence best thing for us is to obey the instructions of our creator and that will keep us away from any unseen harm.

And here is the I'm-too-stupid-must-obey argument. You know that god has the power to make us understand.

Why should I argue against a fallacy?

First, you have to prove my argument is a fallacy only than you would be in position to decide whether to give counter argument or not.

Already did. Moved on a long time ago.

Instead of saying no, they don't and heres the proof, you argue that man's do to.

Religious people indeed had done some brutal acts and I am not planned to hide those proven atrocities. I had only given the comparison between the evil done by theists in the name of religion and the evil done by atheists in the name of atheism.

"In the name of atheism." We've been through this. Atheism is not a worldview. It doesn't have any positive claims.

Atheism has proven itself to be the cause of biggest evil in the entire human history.

Somehow I don't think you accounted for development on weaponry, transport, and communications in your analysis. Just imagine what mohammad could of done if he had modern weaponry.

This means you will stop quoting Dawkins or Harris about atheism as if their opinions dictate other atheist opinions. I look forward to it.

Whenever, I give some quote the sole purpose of that is to expose how disbelief in God turn people into Hitler Stalin, Mao, or supporters of those monsters.

Yes, we know about those theist dictators and their wonderful morals. Before you start listing your list, you should look up nationalism. It will explain a lot if you're willing to think about it.

I am a student of philosophy and comparative religions. To study “–ism” is part of my studies. If atheism would be the tenant of any code of belief then that ideology would be at a very high risk to end up in barbarism.

I'm sure all those secularist countries devolved into barbarism.

Lets start with the man from clay. Please provide evidence that man was made from clay.

Think logically and scientifically.

Still waiting for you do the same.

The food, which people consume, is the product of soil and water. Human body transforms food into proteins, which then render into different parts of human body in the mother’s womb by using information stored in genomes. In a way, people are made of soil and water, who decompose and transmute back into dust when they die.

Logically, this fact conforms the miraculous creation of first man (Adam) from clay.

Clay is a specific type of soil. Very few plants can grow in clay, not to mention animals. And non of the common plants or animals we eat come from clay. Your reaching, and it's obvious.

Plus, your verse seem to suggest more of a clay molding than your interpritation.