(December 7, 2014 at 1:03 pm)simplemoss Wrote: Why do atheists seem too not like ayn rand she's one of us, shouldn't we love her and consider that although she wasn't always correct she was a great atheistic writer, and philosopher???
How did right wing Christians steal objectivism???
Holy crap. No she was not a great philosopher. She was an ornate writer and elaborate writer. It is still an apology no different than the elaborate crap theists write.
Plato used to be my hero until I read the opening to Dawkins book "The Greatest show on earth". You can argue Plato valued certain things that can apply today. But he fucked up human thought with one very bad idea that humans used for all all sorts of reasons from religion to politics.
He valued questioning. But he also had the idea of simply thinking about something to find it's "essence". This bad idea has fostered horrible defense of political and religious tribalism. Plato had no idea that it wasn't simply good enough to question, modern science needs control groups and testing and falsification.
Rand failed the same way Marx failed and the same way all religions and politics fail. It is club based and is our species failure to understand that in evolution, we have never been monochromatic. There is no utopia, there is no "essence" of anything.
Humans make arguments for their own patterns, their own agendas and life in reality is never as simple as that.
