(July 19, 2010 at 8:05 pm)Godhead Wrote: I feel that what atheists ask which is impractical and impossible is for me to prove that god exists. But I can't do that.
Why not? You seem to think that you are justified in your belief, so why is it unreasonable to ask you for "proof" in support of your conclusions?
Quote: And the reason, on the surface, why atheists would ask in the first place, in the knowledge that I can't prove that god exists, is to demonstrate that I can't prove that god exists, ie prove a point.
Why would we ask? Because you claim to have a good reason for believing in Magic Man, and we want to make sure you aren't full of shit.
The "point" being made (your belief in the proposition is idiotic) is simply the inevitable result of analysis and reason.
Quote: But that's a given, we know that. So underneath the surface, I think the real reason is to ridicule.
No, the reason is to assess whether or not you have reached your conclusion by rational means. The fact that your conclusions are ridiculed simply shows how far from rational you actually are.
Quote: The problem with that, apart from the fact that it achieves nothing, is that I don't feel any ridicule at all.
That's okay, we get a good laugh out of it.
Quote: I'm aware of the attempt but it has no emotional effect on me,
That's because you are incapable of critical thinking when it comes to God, a byproduct of your emotional insecurity. As long as your 'emotions' suggest to you that there is a God, you will continue to refuse to listen to how asinine your conclusions are, even when the flaws in your methodology are so blatantly obvious.
Quote:so as an end goal on the part of the atheist, it's futile. So, if an atheist asks me to prove that god exists, the only appropriate response is : "You prove it" (as in, ask a silly question, get a silly answer).
...and you don't understand the Burden of proof.
Quote:According to my belief, god doesn't provide anything.
Anything else you'd like to pull out of your ass while you're at it?
Quote: I'm open to giving up my beliefs simply because I too go where the evidence (reason to believe / conviction) takes me.
Then you should care about the methodology you used in determining the truth of the proposition in the first place, which you clearly don't.
Emotions are not a sufficient standard of evidence in determining whether or not a God exists.
If you have any other reasons for believing that God exists you may want to share them.
Quote: So far, my evidence has clearly pointed to the existance of god.
What evidence?
Quote:It is evidence which can't be commuicated and shown, as you know.
So we're back to "emotions" are we?
Quote:If you can show me anything to contradict that I'm open to it.
Easy:
Your emotions conclude "god=universe=us"
Muslim emotions conclude "god=individual=beyond the universe"
Two contradictory conclusions using the same standard of evidence.
Quote:But as I say I've not seen any.
I've already pointed out the inadequacy of your methodology multiple times.
Quote:Also, in order for me to drop my beliefs, I would have to see evidence that the universe is godless.
You have the critical thinking powers of a brain-dead goldfish...
Quote: Now I fully realise that atheists don't think that way and they don't feel the need to disprove god
Then why would you expect us to try? If you know that it is impossible to disprove God, but require it absolutely to change your mind, then you do not actually want to challenge your beliefs. You are setting impossible and irrelevant standards.
Quote:however, I do, and to deconvert me you'd have to do that, whether you're comfortable with it or not.
So you admit it's impossible to deconvert you...
Quote:It is what would make me drop my beliefs. I think it's the only thing that would. If you don't want to try that's ok but to deconvert me it's what you'd need to do.
That's like saying "my emotions told me my mother was a two-headed time-traveling burlesque dancer, and until you can disprove it i'm going to believe it, even though i have no good reasons for accepting it in the first place"
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