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Billboard proclaims "Nobody is born gay"
RE: Billboard proclaims "Nobody is born gay"
(December 12, 2014 at 2:13 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Chicago is a very gay-positive town. I work directly with openly gay co-workers and live next door to and regularly kibitz with a male same-sex couple. I can clearly see that, as far as gay men are concerned, their sexual orientation largely comes out of an innate biological disposition. I have no more interest in knowing about the physical intimacies of others than I do knowing about what auto insurance they carry. Overall I am tolerant of the LGBTG community, including the traffic disruptions of their annual PRIDE parade. So I do get a little miffed when someone accuses me of bigotry and hate, just because I do not wholeheartedly affirm their beliefs about sexuality or endorse activities I believe are immoral.

If you're miffed, that's your own fucking business. Perhaps you'll become a more thoughtful person out of this exchange.

I'm calling you a bigot because you are calling these folk "deficient". You are aspersing their character based on their sexual preference not being the same as yours.

If you don't like being called a bigot, stop acting like one. Take people for who they are, and quit aspersing their morality -- which is what you did when you called their behavior "unethical".

(December 12, 2014 at 2:13 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Can any of my accusers honestly say that they do not reject objective morality in part because to do so would conflict with their political views or preconceived beliefs about sexuality?

I reject the idea of objective morality based on the fact that it is found nowhere in humankind. What some consider right, others consider wrong, and what is right sometimes is wrong at other times. So no, this attempt at tu quoque fails, as regards me. I'm certainly flawed, and certainly prone to my own biases, but I don't make the mistake of assigning moral heft to my own opinions simply because I'm unable to conceive that others might not agree.

As for your invitation to take this to PMs, no thanks. I don't clutter up my inbox with debate. If your ideals are worth defending, they're worth defending publicly.

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Billboard proclaims "Nobody is born gay" - by Silver - December 11, 2014 at 5:17 pm
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